Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 11:23 PM 02-12-08 -0500, Andrew Mulholland wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay > hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) > traffi

Re: Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread aawolfe
On Dec 3, 2008 1:52am, Pekka Savola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Andrew Mulholland wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay hop by hop basis? Prefe

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread Tehno Mage
I don't know if it helps, but anyways. There is another tool called Iperf ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf ). It's usually used to report bandwidth between two hops which you define, but it can be also used to measure jitter, datagram loss, and a lot of other things, one in all it's very han

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Andrew Mulholland wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) traffic. mtr ? -

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread Brad Fleming
perfSONAR is another, more long term solution for performance monitoring (if that's what you happen to be looking for). http://www.internet2.edu/performance/pS-PS/ -- Brad Fleming Network Engineer Kansas Research and Education Network Office:785-856-9800 x.222 Moblie: 785-865-7231 NOC:

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread Andrew Mulholland
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay > hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) > traffic. > mtr ? - http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ its an ncur

Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-02 Thread Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia)
Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) traffic. Regards, Steven Lee

Re: Tcpdump data collection

2008-12-02 Thread Chris Mills
Maybe ntop? http://www.ntop.org/overview.html -Chris On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Subba Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hello, > > I want to collect data on a network and map the data flow and system/port > traffic. There are 2 scenarios of data collection here. The first is to > collect IP

Re: Tcpdump data collection

2008-12-02 Thread Harry Hoffman
Check out argus http://www.qosient.com/argus/ It can do exactly what you what. Cheers, Harry On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 17:19 -0800, Subba Rao wrote: > Hello, > > I want to collect data on a network and map the data flow and system/port > traffic. There are 2 scenarios of data collection here. Th

Re: Tcpdump data collection

2008-12-02 Thread Nathan Ward
On 3/12/2008, at 2:19 PM, Subba Rao wrote: Hello, I want to collect data on a network and map the data flow and system/ port traffic. There are 2 scenarios of data collection here. The first is to collect IP traffic only. In this method I do not want the data portion of the IP packet (n

Tcpdump data collection

2008-12-02 Thread Subba Rao
Hello, I want to collect data on a network and map the data flow and system/port traffic. There are 2 scenarios of data collection here.  The first is to collect IP traffic only.  In this method I do not want the data portion of the IP packet (need IP address, source/destination ports etc). Th

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Jeremy Jackson
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:49 +, Nick Hilliard wrote: > chuck goolsbee wrote: > > would look, other than the granite walls > > On the subject of suitability problems, unless there is good air > circulation in these bunkers from the outside, radon seepage from the > surrounding granite has the p

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:26:51 EST, The Anarcat said: > Am I the only one thinking that shady lights, tropical fog, creepy > tunnels, blue/colored lights, and *waterfalls* are *bad* things in a > datacenter? Well, across the hall we have: Photo-op version: http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyea

Followup on Cogent/Sprint

2008-12-02 Thread Joe Greco
While the recent Cogent/Sprint debate was largely fact-free, I'm following this up with an article that has some facts. http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/12/01/cogent-sprint-regulation-tech-enter-cz_sw_1202cogent.html Given that there is a substantial operational impact to events such as this

RE: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Deepak Jain
> > But we aren't talking about the military here, are we? We are talking > about an ISP on an ISP forum. > > > > Yes but in a disaster scenario where critical communication links > are down the military would respond and reestablish the links, if for > nothing else to re establish situationa

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Charles Wyble
Deepak Jain wrote: I bet the military or emergency services can establish a 10km fiber stretch in a few hours. Replacing some telecom hw and set it up from scratch would probably take weeks (I'm not talking about a single router here). But we aren't talking about the military here, are we?

RE: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Deepak Jain
> I bet the military or emergency services can establish a 10km fiber > stretch in a few hours. Replacing some telecom hw and set it up from > scratch would probably take weeks (I'm not talking about a single > router > here). But we aren't talking about the military here, are we? We are talking a

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Nick Hilliard
chuck goolsbee wrote: > would look, other than the granite walls On the subject of suitability problems, unless there is good air circulation in these bunkers from the outside, radon seepage from the surrounding granite has the potential to cause a lot of health problems for any unlucky punter who

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread chuck goolsbee
Speaking as a Datacenter Manager who (believe it or not) at one time was an Art Director, I have to say that the "ambience" in those photographs, in the form of fog, odd/colored lighting, etc. was certainly created at the time of the photo shoot by an Art Director ... with delusions (illusions)

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread George William Herbert
>>> This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more >>> and more off-tropic... >> >> Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter >> conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. > >*woosh* > >tropic... not topic. It's a joke. :) D'oh. Serves

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
George William Herbert wrote: > > Johnny writes: >>This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more >>and more off-tropic... > > Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter > conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. > > NANOG isn't facilities

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Charles Wyble
George William Herbert wrote: Johnny writes: This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more and more off-tropic... Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. *woosh* tropic... not

RE: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Goltz, Jim (NIH/CIT) [E]
> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 15:15 > > This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room > temperature ultrasonic > misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. Still off-topic, but I hope they used distilled water. If the water has a m

Re: RADB service outage

2008-12-02 Thread Larry Blunk
Apologies for the RADB downtime. Service was down from roughly 7:45PM - 8:51PM EST last night. We've been having some issues due to heavy querying from a PlanetLab project and are currently working with them to resolve the issue. -Larry Blunk Merit Network Shin Yamasaki wrote: > Hi, > > It s

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread George William Herbert
Johnny writes: >This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more >and more off-tropic... Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. NANOG isn't facilities focused but I think that it comes up enoug

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Johnny Eriksson
> Marshall wrote: > >This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room > >temperature ultrasonic > >misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. > > > >Regards > >Marshall > > Concur. > > As anyone who works with air conditioning knows, ultrasonic are > the low maintenance option for your hu

RE: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Blake Pfankuch
I would agree with the psychological effects. That would be a downside to working in a place that aside from that is so unbelievably kickass. -Original Message- From: Jeff Shultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:28 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: an over-the-to

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread George William Herbert
Marshall wrote: >This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room >temperature ultrasonic >misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. > >Regards >Marshall Concur. As anyone who works with air conditioning knows, ultrasonic are the low maintenance option for your humidifier units anyways.

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Jeff Shultz
Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Brian Raaen wrote: Maybe it isn't dry ice Maybe it is from liquid oxygen, in which case it better be a smoke free workplace. This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room temperature ultrasonic misters, not dry ice

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Brian Raaen wrote: Maybe it isn't dry ice Maybe it is from liquid oxygen, in which case it better be a smoke free workplace. This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room temperature ultrasonic misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. Regards

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Brian Raaen
Maybe it isn't dry ice Maybe it is from liquid oxygen, in which case it better be a smoke free workplace. -- Brian Raaen Network Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Jay Hennigan wrote: > The Anarcat wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19:36AM -05

Re: qwest/cogent/sprint

2008-12-02 Thread Chris Cariffe
Cogent claims route corruption on a router...it would be nice to see their network status messages keeping in sync with their network. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Chris Cariffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > anyone else feeling this? > http://www.internethealthreport.com/Main.aspx?Destination=

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Jay Hennigan
The Anarcat wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19:36AM -0500, Jeremy Jackson wrote: Seems like dry-ice was used to make the "tropical fog" in the photos, not water poured over hot rocks like a sauna/bath house. I've tried to avoid stating the obvious reading through all this funny thread, but I

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread The Anarcat
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19:36AM -0500, Jeremy Jackson wrote: > Seems like dry-ice was used to make the "tropical fog" in the photos, > not water poured over hot rocks like a sauna/bath house. I've tried to avoid stating the obvious reading through all this funny thread, but I can't help it now.

qwest/cogent/sprint

2008-12-02 Thread Chris Cariffe
anyone else feeling this? http://www.internethealthreport.com/Main.aspx?Destination=Sprint

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 dec 2008, at 00.47, Randy Bush wrote: Despite the huge amount of "content which transcends the language barrier" [tip of the hat wbn], it is worth noting that there is a non-trivial amount of language-/culture-specific traffic that doesn't nee

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Daniel Golding
On Nov 28, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ (No, I don't know if it's real or not.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb It has become de ri

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Daniel Golding
On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: Måns Nilsson wrote: Exactly where is of course known in the business, but not so well that it is OK to post their locations on Nanog. The problem with this mentality is that it does not deter those wishing to do harm to the data

RE: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Jeremy Jackson
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 10:33 +0100, Måns Nilsson wrote: > > 4) With all of that fog and plant life, I wonder how they critically > > manage humidity. [Or if they even do]. > > I have been told by people who have been working with the construction of > this very site that it is an unusually dry ca

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Ian Mason
On 1 Dec 2008, at 19:19, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: An alternative would be to run a microwave link to shore, but I'm not sure I would want to bet the farm on the mechanics necessary to keep the dish aligned. Actually this is pretty straightforward. Systems exist for getting rock steady

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Paul Cosgrove
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Deepak Jain wrote: 3) No one cares if the server farm is blast proof (it isn't), if the connectivity in/out of it gets blasted (submessage: silos were meant to deliver one thing, datacenters aren't in the same operational model once they need conn

Yahoo! Mail admin?

2008-12-02 Thread Paul Kelly :: Blacknight
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RE: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-02 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On måndag, måndag 1 dec 2008 18.19.14 -0500 Deepak Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) This datacenter is only 12,000 sq ft. (submessage: who cares?) For some things, it is OK. It is not the only one, only the best marketed one. > 2) The generators are underground. A leak in their exhaust sy