Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread Moazzam Khan
Hi Ricardo, I checked the topologies from bgp tables at ucla site. These are in the form of huge tables . Can you please guide me how this can be utilized in the simulations. Regards MAK On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Ricardo Oliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > The topos you mentioned are syn

Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?]

2008-09-02 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Eric, as you say, it is a multi part test. With fairly clear distinctions between a compromised node and one under the direct control of a criminal So while it is unrealistic when viewed in isolation, put together with other factors it starts to make a lot of sense. thanks srs On Wed, Sep 3, 200

Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?]

2008-09-02 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
Suresh, In a parallel universe we're considering profiles for "licit use" of some mechanism. One element of a multi-part test to distinguish "licit" from "illicit" was the presence or absence of known signatures for malware. After some thought it was understood that this test was equivalent t

Re: self-promotion [was: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?]

2008-09-02 Thread Gadi Evron
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:40:38 -0400 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [SNIP] Just so that I am clear on your issue here: You believe it is "okay" for you to put your linkedin URL in your .sig, but Gadi must not be allowed to put it at t

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On 9/2/08, Todd Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > checking our current data, that block is not currently routed by any > of our peers over the last month (i would assume ripe ris and > routeviews report similar data, but i did not check them. it's also probably worth stating that parts of

Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?]

2008-09-02 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
There's this concept known as "dual criminality" in such situations, when you're looking at international prosecutions (or whatever). So, while lesé majesté - insult to the king - is a crime in thailand (liable to get you lynched before you get prosecuted, at that) that doesnt mean the thai author

Re: self-promotion [was: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?]

2008-09-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:40:38 -0400 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [SNIP] > > Just so that I am clear on your issue here: You believe it is "okay" > for you to put your linkedin URL in your .sig, but Gadi must not be > allowed to put it at the top of a post? Yes, I think th

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Gadi Evron
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Aaron Glenn wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My profile and resume: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gadievron are you for real? Yep. Are you a geek? I am that, too. Awkward, but easy to explain. I use PINE and I often have signatur

self-promotion [was: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?]

2008-09-02 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 2, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Paul Wall wrote: Could you please take the self-promotion offline already? Enough is enough! I don't think anybody on this list is interested in hiring you or reviewing your resume! (It could be argued that my post is off-topic as well. I disagree. Furthermore, it

Re: Is the export policy selective under valley-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Kai Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just want to ask a direct question. Will an AS export all it gets from > its customers and itself to its providers? Or even under valley-free, > the BGP export policy is also selective? > that's the idea. but your use of valley-

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread micky coughes
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My profile and resume: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gadievron > > are you for real? > > No, he is not.

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My profile and resume: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gadievron are you for real?

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Todd Underwood
dan, (to follow up on david conrad's response)... On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 04:31:40PM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > >While recently trying to debug a CEF issue, I found a good number of > >packets in my "debug cef drops" output that w

Re: Is the export policy selective under valley-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Wall
Kai, That's correct. A network purchasing transit will advertise its internally-originated prefixes, as well as those it's learning from downstream customers, to its provider. (At least that's the theory. It's not terribly uncommon for transit purchasers to advertise a full table, or for their

Is the export policy selective under valley-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Kai Chen
Just want to ask a direct question. Will an AS export all it gets from its customers and itself to its providers? Or even under valley-free, the BGP export policy is also selective? Thanks a lot, -- -Kai

"How the 'Net works: an introduction to peering and transit" (arstech)

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Vixie
http://arstechnica.com/guides/other/peering-and-transit.ars -- Paul Vixie

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: While recently trying to debug a CEF issue, I found a good number of packets in my "debug cef drops" output that were all directed at 198.32.64.12 (which I see as being allocated to ep.net but completely unused). As Steve Conte p

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Wall
Gadi, Could you please take the self-promotion offline already? Enough is enough! I don't think anybody on this list is interested in hiring you or reviewing your resume! (It could be argued that my post is off-topic as well. I disagree. Furthermore, it had to be done, given the lack of public

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Steve Conte
On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: Hello all, While recently trying to debug a CEF issue, I found a good number of packets in my "debug cef drops" output that were all directed at 198.32.64.12 (which I see as being allocated to ep.net but completely unused). Se

Re: 198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Gadi Evron
My profile and resume: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gadievron On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: Hello all, While recently trying to debug a CEF issue, I found a good number of packets in my "debug cef drops" output that were all directed at 198.32.64.12 (which I see as being

198.32.64.12 -- Harmless mis-route or potential exploit?

2008-09-02 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
Hello all, While recently trying to debug a CEF issue, I found a good number of packets in my "debug cef drops" output that were all directed at 198.32.64.12 (which I see as being allocated to ep.net but completely unused). Sep 2 22:03:25: CEF-Drop: Packet for 198.32.64.12 -- no route Sep

Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post: Atrivo/Intercag e, w hy are we peering with the American RBN?]

2008-09-02 Thread Justin Shore
Paul Ferguson wrote: My next question to the peanut gallery is: What do you suggest we should do on other hosting IP blocks are are continuing to host criminal activity, even in the face of abuse reports, etc.? Seriously -- I think this is an issue which needs to be addressed here. ISPs cannot c

Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread Ricardo Oliveira
The topos you mentioned are synthetic (e.g. generated based on math), you might want to check these ones instead, based on bgp tables from public sources: http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/topology/ Also, i don't think using a full internet topology is the way to go to do measure convergence time. The

Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread Moazzam Khan
Hi Ricardo, Basically I want to measure the Convergence times and routing table sizes. But I am not able to find a good topology of internet which I can utilize for my experimentations. I am looking at GT-ITM, BRITE and IGen but don't know what kind of abstraction they provide and if these topolog

Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread Ricardo Oliveira
Moazzam, Do you have something specific in mind you want to measure? e.g. convergence times, table size, update count, etc? the scope of your study seems to broad as you describe it.. Cheers, --Ricardo On Sep 1, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Moazzam Khan wrote: Thanks Stefan for your reply. Basica

RE: 10GE CWDM

2008-09-02 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Hello Alex: > Depending how cheap and ghetto you want to get, there's also possibility > of doing WDM on 1310/1300. I have custom-manufactured splitters filtering > 1307nm +-2nm - and any given LR XFP [*1] will be either within that band > or outside [*2]. Test a bunch of them, split them into two

Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread David Andersen
We have a similar analysis (which agrees with Vince Fuller's #s in a general sense) in the middle of a recent sigcomm paper: http://www.aip-arch.net/ See the paper "Accountable Internet Protocol (AIP)". I point it out mostly because the Fuller presentation said "kinda looks exponential";

Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread Brad Freeman
Vince Fuller has done some projections on what the the routing tables will be like in the near future which would be useful for you, check out http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/rou-vf-sca.pdf If you are looking at doing simulations of what it could be like, use similar figure

Re: BGP Scalability Simulation

2008-09-02 Thread Olivier Bonaventure
Moazzam, > > I am trying to simulate BGP for scalability testing. I have few queries. > > > 1) What sort of topology I should try out ? You might have a look at igen and cbgp available from http://inl.info.ucl.ac.be/softwares Olivier