Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread Scott Weeks
Top posting due to lengthy email... In my experience from the last year on Alcatel (several years on E and M Juniper before that) you couldn't be more wrong. As far as looking at the config, I back them up to a UNIX box nightly. ":1,$ s/exit//" Not one of the support guys has ever mentione

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Wed May 14, 2008 at 04:31:57PM -0400, Jake Matthews wrote: > Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for > commercial purposes. > Anyones thoughts on this? There's a company called Phorm (www.phorm.com) trying to do this in the UK, running some trials with some of t

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Tony Patti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Regulation could address this, a differentiated service could address > this, but this smacks of paying for a service to then get additional ads > sent to you. (like everytime you dialed a number into your Skype for > Pizza Delivery, they sent you to their paid-Pizza

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Patrick Clochesy
I think that a TV station cannot just digitally insert an ad into copyrighted material, as it would be considered a derivative work. .. they have approval and pay to do that. I wonder what the legal implications for a web page would be, I would almost assume they would be the same. -Patrick

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Deepak Jain
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20461817-HSI-Charter-to-monitor-surfing-insert-its-own-targeted-ads > This is definitely taking the position that its "their" pipe and not the *Internet*. I can only imagine the issues that will get wrangled around in the courts over this. (ahem, Google, ahe

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread John Menerick
I have been using the 7750/7450 in a couple of my production environments. I have to say this: AMAZING. I have had very little problems with these machines. Their support has been amazing. I would recommend these machines to anyone. Beware of the price though. You def. get what you pay for wit

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread John Menerick
Something Jon Devree and I were thinking about: How would they handle cookies the size of 1 MB or larger? Scary as it sounds, looks like a simple DOS attack waiting to happen :\ JOhn Menerick On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Jake Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > >

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Nicolas Antoniello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, I agree with you, may be I didn't explain myself clear: I meant "neutral" > in the sense > of relation with each other (i.e. Not being hostile). hopefully we're all big boys and girls and can identify a strong o

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Jake Matthews
Majdi S. Abbas wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 04:31:57PM -0400, Jake Matthews wrote: > >> Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for >> commercial purposes. >> > > I think you'd find they'd run pretty far afoul of 18 USC 2511 > for that, without prior con

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 04:31:57PM -0400, Jake Matthews wrote: > Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for > commercial purposes. I think you'd find they'd run pretty far afoul of 18 USC 2511 for that, without prior consent (18 USC 2511 2) (c)). I look

Re: [NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Jean-Michel Planche
In same spirit, something worst I think ... If you are in some airport with a GSM/Wifi phone, you are going to receive a mail, from local Wifi provider to explain you how to reach his (local wifi) network. Tested in Roissy / France, with iPhone. iPhone will switch from edge to wifi connection

[NANOG] Charter Communications going to sniff traffic for advertising?

2008-05-14 Thread Jake Matthews
Apparently Charter is going to packetsniff its users and use that for commercial purposes. Looks like the only way to somewhat opt out is by getting a cookie set at the below link - which is not only a dumb idea, but still - not even https. http://connect.charter.com/cas/portal/settings/privacy

[NANOG] NANOG 43 PGP signing party.

2008-05-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a quick note, The thrice annual nanog pgp key signing party will be making an appearance at NANOG 43. The keysigning sessions are going to be during the morning breaks during the general session, and will be location TDB. Monday June 2

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread Nicolas Antoniello
Ok, I agree with you, may be I didn't explain myself clear: I meant "neutral" in the sense of relation with each other (i.e. Not being hostile). Nic. Tim Sanderson wrote: > Why be neutral? If something is better, then it is better. Whenever I have > tried a vendor other than Cisco for a routin

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread Tim Sanderson
Why be neutral? If something is better, then it is better. Whenever I have tried a vendor other than Cisco for a routing or switching solution, I regretted it. Now I use Cisco equipment exclusively except where they do not make that product I need [such as FatPipe MPVPN]. Tim -Original Mes

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread Nicolas Antoniello
I think we should keep this list as much neutral as we may regarding individual preferences. Why some of you keep writing offensive mails to those who write neutral ones or to those who know less than what you THINK you know. Have you heard about: "All we are ignorants, the thing is that we ig

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

2008-05-14 Thread Paul Wall
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Dan Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about Alcatel's MPLS edge routers like the 7x50 products that > came from Timetra...anyone have any experience with them? Are they a > good product? Garbage, the 7750/7450 are complete junk boxes. Here is why... - For

[NANOG] [NANOG-announce] Call for Volunteers for the NANOG Mailing List Committee

2008-05-14 Thread Philip Smith
Hello everyone, The NANOG Mailing List Committee is a group of individuals from the NANOG community who collectively are responsible for ensuring the functioning of the NANOG mailing list as an effective resource for the operations community. The Steering Committee would like to hear from peop

[NANOG] IPv6 Alcatel-Lucent 7750 + Cisco 6509

2008-05-14 Thread Nicolas Antoniello
By the way, to add some IPv6 technical noise: Have you ever tried to set up MD5 auth. in a BGP over IPv6 session between an Alcatel 7750SR and a Cisco 6500... I keep getting a log message (Cisco) exposing some issue with the MD5 digest from the Alcatel. The funny thing is that Cisco <---> Cisc

Re: [NANOG] Linkedin

2008-05-14 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Felix Bako <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Guyz, anyone from linkedin please contact me off list as we have not > been able to open the website www.linkedin.com for sometime now!! Hi, have you tried to curb 419 spam sent over http/https from your IP space (through

Re: [NANOG] Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2008-05-14 Thread Mark Foster
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Tim Franklin wrote: > > On Fri, October 12, 2007 2:49 pm, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > >> "HOST x.x.x.x ON YOUR NETWORK PINGED ME I TAKE MY SECURITY >> SERIOUSLY!! I'M CALLING THE FBI!!!" > > That I can *sort* of understand - it's the flaming zealotry of "ALL ICMP > IS

Re: [NANOG] Alcatel-Lucent

2008-05-14 Thread michael.dillon
> Hopefully... ;-) Not likely! This is a motley crew of people who like to jabber, not a forum for your favorite vendor's customer support. > I want to be able to carry IPv6 in a VPRN without having to > pay an order of magnitude more for an IOM. May I suggest that you will make much more im

[NANOG] REĀ : Alcatel-Lucent

2008-05-14 Thread Oriana Palivan
Hi, I've just changed my IP/MPLS bakcbone with Alcatel ESSs and SRs. Where can I check on the SR 7750 the version of the IOM, to see if I have the IOM2 by any chance? Thanks. Regards, Oriana De: Kevin Billings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: mer. 14.05.2008