Re: Stupid Question: Network Abuse RFC?

2008-01-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Paul Ferguson wrote: Instead of being an apologist for the problem, how would _you_ suggest we address these process, procedural, and organizational issues? If you look in the archives, in the past I've listed the things that seem to be needed for those organizations to su

Re: Stupid Question: Network Abuse RFC?

2008-01-13 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >MAAWG is useful for particular subjects, not as useful for other subjects. >I expect the same will be true for any forum. > What is the appropriate mechanism within NANOG? I mean, given previous topics

Re: Stupid Question: Network Abuse RFC?

2008-01-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 12:39 AM, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Although you need a some overlap, I think you get much better "buy-in" when people from the same industry are developing their operational standards. Well, MAAWG does that, and

Re: Stupid Question: Network Abuse RFC?

2008-01-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Jan 14, 2008 12:39 AM, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although you need a some overlap, I think you get much better "buy-in" > when people from the same industry are developing their operational > standards. Well, MAAWG does that, and has produced a lot of good work in the past. Ha

RE: Stupid Question: Network Abuse RFC?

2008-01-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Paul Ferguson wrote: In addition to RFC2142, it would appear that these are largely ignored just as much as any other operational IETF documents. That's a shame. The IETF (and other groups) developing "Best Common Practices" seem to sometimes forget 1. Is it a practi

Re: Stupid Question: Network Abuse RFC?

2008-01-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Jan 13, 2008 12:05 PM, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The great thing about standards is there are so many to choose from. > There is also ARF: Abuse Feedback Reporting Format from the Mutual > Internet Practices Assocation. > Messaging Anti-Abuse Working Group has multiple documents