C employees in
Brussels succeed in getting potential buyers to realize the value of a
functioning cross-border fiber network that covers all of Europe.
Michael Dillon
ex-Ebone
as we
>speak.
Hmmm
Try a traceroute from inside the Ebone IP network at http://www.ebone.net.
A few minutes ago it was still working.
Have you got any confirmation that they are, in fact, shutting down the
DWDM equipment? This would leave everyone in the dark except for IRU
customers...
--Mi
/mns/
There's something called Deriveit that you can get on a 30 day trial which
might be sufficient for some people.
--Michael Dillon
nizations that were not multihomed and
who had not yet found alternate providers.
--Michael Dillon
ex-Ebone
ed
machines used to initiate DDOS attacks will begin to secure their machines
the way they should have in the first place.
-- Michael Dillon
ffer the legal consequences if they don't
secure their machines.
It's certainly not perfect but it's worth a try.
--Michael Dillon
it. In my opinion, your
> doing so undermines the most fundamental basis of the Internet.
Sorry comrades, I can no longer participate in this discussion.
It seems that I have been declared to be an enemy of the people.
--Michael Dillon
rketing campaign.
And what are domain names after all, if not marketing?
> or when
> something is rolled out to a large enough self-contained user community
> that the lack of ability to communicate outside that region won't be a
> significant barrier.
That's generally how new things get a foothold...
--Michael Dillon
there is already
a divide caused by different languages. If the Internet is
to become a global universal network then, by definition,
it must become balkanized.
--Michael Dillon
elievers from joining the club, but I don't agree with
that approach. I believe that it is better to let the free flow
of ideas continue because the Internet is robust enough to
survive and thrive in the face of countless experiments including
people announcing huge AS-paths and people running alternate
DNS roots. Bring it on!
--Michael Dillon
left home and travelled a kilometer or two from
the hospital. Presumably, the cells in this suburban
location had also been switched to emergency service.
--Michael Dillon
S still functioned.
I haven't heard of any Internet outages caused by the attacks
although everyone who has travelled on the tube knows that there
are lots of cables in the tunnels. Presumably, there are so
many tunnels with cables that breaks in three places are easily
covered by protection switching.
--Michael Dillon
tries. I wonder if
this will
now be reconsidered.
There are always tradeoffs when building infrastructures
of any type. Like the requirement for generator capacity
at 60 Hudson versus the desire of Tribeca residents
to
not live next door to a fuel dump.
--Michael Dillon
orities had subscribed to that
philosophy
then they would have kept the systems running instead
of
shutting them down.
--Michael Dillon
at
allowed them to access it by clicking a link, in the same way that
http://www.translit.ru provides a Cyrillic keyboard for computers without
Cyrillic localization installed.
--Michael Dillon
You still achieve your goal and the other 5,000 or so list
members will be less annoyed and maybe they'll have a look
at improving their own contact channels.
--Michael Dillon
asements, etc. It only needs to keep
a record of the last location it was at when the signal faded
away. The emergency service vehicles probably can't get any closer
than that anyway.
--Michael Dillon
o the right E911 center. In that case, as long as you
are in the right county you are probably OK.
In any case, no solution to E911 and VoIP is likely to meet
100% of its requirements, but if you can improve the situation
significantly, then it is still worth doing.
--Michael Dillon
it was going
to be easy.
--Michael Dillon
onment
is not one in which such detailed studies will be done before
deciding. So it's back to rules of thumb and letting the market
hash out the details by making mistakes.
--Michael Dillon
te it to any PSAP. The first
responders in this situation are the flight attendants
so it should ring the flight attendant's phone.
By the way, if GPS works in the air for small aircraft
pilots, then why wouldn't it work for cellphones? The
last known fix should be 100% up to date a
fit these numbers into other
countries because they are two digit numbers.
Although Russia has agreed to implement 112 emergency
dialling, the old numbers are still active nationwide.
--Michael Dillon
entire industry that
current engineering practices are not good enough any more.
We should all be looking to the security auditing work done by
the OpenBSD team for an example of how systems can be
cleaned up, fixed, and locked down if there is a will to do so.
--Michael Dillon
y/sec_lessons
Their process has some parallels in the activities of groups like
the Columbia Accident Inquiry Board and the 911 Commission.
Openness, rigourous examination, attention to detail...
--Michael Dillon
so easily compromised and when there
is a community of people who are specifically targetting
those boxes, unlike in the past.
--Michael Dillon
s into
their contracts?
Or was this type of service "good enough"?
--Michael Dillon
e redundant paths
at all layers from physical to IP, this situation will not
improve.
--Michael Dillon
nd all past
and current employees of ISS by exiling them to Cuba,
this would not stop the hackers who are exploiting
network device flaws.
--Michael Dillon
techniques can solve
this root problem because many eyes can find more bugs.
This doesn't just mean *BSD and Linux. There are also
systems like OSKit http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/oskit/
and RTAI http://www.rtai.org/ that are more appropriate
for building things like routers.
--Michael Dillon
me before the DHS dips its toes into the auditing
of software systems, including Cisco IOS and Microsoft software, because
society becomes more and more dependent on these software systems every
day.
--Michael Dillon
I don't suggest that Cisco suddenly release their code. But
I can imagine a phased approach where they release the code to an
ever widening circle of people, and then finally make it completely
open. Or they could phase in a new codebase using Open Source as the
foundation.
--Michael Dillon
ed that his work
was based on the work of a blackhat.
--Michael Dillon
In fact, the people who REALLY
know this stuff may not work for a major Cisco customer
or if they do, they may not have access to the privileged
communications channels within their company.
--Michael Dillon
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him
how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
> Not sure I understand how on earth something like this happens... power
is
> not that confusing to make sure it does not stop working.
Is that so?
Have you read the report on the Northeast blackout of 2003?
https://reports.energy.gov/
--Michael Dillon
of fuel can be localized in a generator plant
where they can be kept a safe distance from residential
and office buildings.
Unfortunately, to do this sort of thing requires vision
which is something that has been lacking in the network
operations field of late.
--Michael Dillon
x27;t a tool like
pathchirp be a better idea?
http://www.spin.rice.edu/Software/pathChirp/
--Michael Dillon
Am I wrong???
--Michael Dillon
and have experienced storm surges even without
hurricanes. And the list of possible disasters goes on.
We cannot predict what will happen and where it will
happen but we can confidently predict that SOMETHING
will happen on a regular basis. So, how can ISPs make
plans to be part of the solution when a disaster does
happen?
--Michael Dillon
ld do to help. There are lots
of New Orleans residents who escaped the city but
if they use an email service located in the city,
then when it goes down, it will be down for
weeks.
--Michael Dillon
e the
tsunami, terror attacks in major cities, hurricanes,
earthquakes. We have gotten very good at running the
network through normal times, maybe we should now focus
on how to keep it running through times of extreme stress.
--Michael Dillon
re extinguishers
in your offices, why not keep a backpack or two
with this kind of technology and get together twice
a year with your local competitors to exercise it
all.
--Michael Dillon
borne diseases,
mosquitoes, and shift changes. The problems in
New Orleans are just beginning.
--Michael Dillon
o deploy stuff and then
practise doing it so they know that it will work when
the crunch comes. There is no reason why corporations
or network operators couldn't apply lessons learned
from the military.
--Michael Dillon
I can imaging that loss of
such a switch would create problems.
A similar problem would be created if a web server relied
on DNS that was only hosted on servers in New Orleans.
--Michael Dillon
the city
because no-one seems to know what is needed, where
it is needed, how to get it there, etc.
--Michael Dillon
of small boats that could have
prevented thousands from dying trapped inside their attics.
If you have a datacenter in a location that might be flooded by rivers or
storm surges, do you have inflatable rafts among your emergency supplies?
--Michael Dillon
ed in C2 or CAPP certified systems.
The details that Henning posted are useful to
list members who are writing RFPs for new network
gear. Even if vendors can't meet these requirements
today, it is good to let them know that people
seriously want secure operating systems on
their routers and switches.
--Michael Dillon
our African friend who has a new and improved
rwhois would be willing to make source code available
now that he no longer needs it?
--Michael Dillon
PROTECTED] where
this can be discussed. Instructions to subscribe are here:
http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/index.html
--Michael Dillon
nd for international
companies, that list of jurisdictions can be very,
very long.
--Michael Dillon
n makes their server freely
available. Assuming that there is some kind of database behind
SWIP and whois, it should not be that difficult for ARIN to
switch to using the RIPE format for displaying answers to
whois queries.
--Michael Dillon
ist archive
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/shim6/minutes.pyht?item=minutes63.html
Have fun!
--Michael Dillon
re will have dozens of lessons to learn
after analyzing the outcome of the New Orleans disaster, even
moreso than the 911 commission or the Columbia accident inquiry.
--Michael Dillon
amage.
I wonder if there are any resources that cover planning
for different disaster types. It is pretty clear that
telecom companies need to do their own planning, not rely
on government agencies.
--Michael Dillon
e
idea and want to know more, there is no website
where they can read further details.
It is because this is complete vaporware from
your imagination.
These things do not play very well on a list where
people are building and operating real networks
and solving real problems.
--Michael Dillon
give you a bunch
of contact points.
You could also try http://www.google.com.ua/
or http://www.google.by because both offer
the option of only returning sites in Ukraine
or Belarus.
--Michael Dillon
a machine translator using the
PROMT engine like http://translation1.paralink.com
and then GO BACK AND RE-READ the original Russian.
Your brain will now be able to make a more accurate
translation on the second pass.
--Michael Dillon
sense" of the majority of what was posted?
I think most people will get a clearer view by
reading the three postings from people who know
some Russian.
--Michael Dillon
e idea that there could be a public Internet
which anyone could use for any purpose was rather new. Is this
concept now on the decline?
--Michael Dillon
> > RFC2827 came out in May 2000.
>
> And that's something I will drink to every day. What has happened with
> it since?
RFC 3704 perhaps?
--Michael Dillon
yond what Paul Baran
originally conceived and the policy and politics of
business does tend to gum up the works a bit now that
there is no serious threat of global nuclear war.
--Michael Dillon
is whole issue is not really about
true peering because such equality between peering partners
is rare. It's really about the business case for settlement
free interconnect and that is rather more complex than
merely the choice between "free" traffic exchange and
paid transit.
y are less susceptible to that
kind of story and more likely to rely on the experience of
existing customers. And if the existing customers of L3 and
Cogent are experiencing agony, what kind of marketing story
does that tell?
--Michael Dillon
e passing that cost onto
> their respective customers as part of the *customer's* bandwidth bill.
Perhaps someone wants to make this argument before a judge
in order to set a legal precedent for mandatory peering
with settlements?
--Michael Dillon
to
see things change when there is instability.
--Michael Dillon
ts will fail.
Has anyone asked Vonage and others what they think
of this? It is almost certain to be affecting some
of their customers.
--Michael Dillon
> /* tip never write e-mail within the first hour of your waking morning
*/
Let me be the first to congratulate you on such
an excellent idea.
--Michael Dillon
dea `could` work for all parties.
Somehow I think you have missed the truly great
idea in your first message...
Hint: the best ideas are simple and elegant and can often
be explained in a single sentence!
--Michael Dillon
ot; than on this list.
--Michael Dillon
s
largely a non-centralized network that does not depend
on any kind of central traffic control. It's like a road
network where every driver(packet) is free to detour around
obstructions.
Remember the information highway?
--Michael Dillon
As
across provider networks. The other possible benefit is to develop
more sophisticated interconnect variants such as MPLS VPN interconnects
and CDN or multicast interconnects.
--Michael Dillon
y,
not just Level 3 and Cogent in particular. The solution is to
use binding arbitration clauses in all interconnect agreements
whether settlement-free, paid peering or settlement-based.
--Michael Dillon
s who rely on the Internet as
a mission critical component of their business plan. Get rid of
the secrecy and you will also get rid of the garbage.
--Michael Dillon
nd a few NANOG conferences to progress
further.
--Michael Dillon
slide or two on actual impacts of this depeering.
--Michael Dillon
://www.nanog.org/listadmins.html
--Michael Dillon
ope that the RIRs have a formal procedure
in place by this time so that IPv4 addresses can be returned
and recycled.
--Michael Dillon
lace.
Of course you can get around this by selling the networks
that use the IPv4 addresses, but then you are getting
away from the realm of commodities. A commodity is a
fairly generic product and networks are far from generic.
--Michael Dillon
g new IP allocations from a
> different source.
If you agree with the Cisco IP Journal article then we have
to engage our collective brains *NOW* to plan and test
and be ready for the day when we need to do things differently.
--Michael Dillon
l market. Just ask your company's finance people
for capital to buy Cisco or Juniper boxes, then ask them for
capital to buy IPv4 addresses. Which capital expenditure are
they willing to release funds for?
In fact, they will probably ask you to justify those new
boxes and when you dig into it you will likely find that
you have already paid for IPv6 boxes.
--Michael Dillon
> Blech. :) (For comparison, here's the IPv4 traceroute:
Very interesting. From the east coast your IPv4 traffic
goes to Virginia and then to the UK. But your IPv6 traffic
goes to Atlanta, Houston, LA and across the Pacific.
Is this due to someone's misconfiguration of weight
/US/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_8-3/ipv4.html
I don't see him saying that we should do nothing. There
seems to be general consensus among these guys that
the time for action is now. If you want the IPv6 transition
to be painless for your company, then you need to get
planning and get IPv6 in your test labs today.
--Michael Dillon
ith
the same kind of technology imperatives as the larger ones.
--Michael Dillon
> > A top AS and top prefix talkers would be really useful.
>
> Flowscan will do the top AS, out of the box.
> It could be hacked to go further.
And guess what we find elsewhere on that nifty set
of pages referred to by Bill Manning?
http://www.caida.org/tools/
--Michael Dillon
t; IPv6 network doesn't have any 6to4 relays in
the
> US, and that AT&T doesn't have any at all. (Or if they do, they need
serious
> anycast tuning)
This seems like a problem that could be solved in the
style of the CIDR report. Regular weekly reports of
v6 relays and locations as seen from various major ASes.
--Michael Dillon
zes it here:
https://rip.psg.com/~randy/050721.ccr-ivtf.html
--Michael Dillon
as utility or mission-critical Internet
because it mandates local interconnect. The customer
point of view is that low latency and consistent
latency is best and that mandates local interconnect.
--Michael Dillon
e to justify multihoming. That is part and parcel
of the "mission critical" Internet.
--Michael Dillon
ick this functionality
directly in the end hosts themselves, then you have SHIM6.
If you stick the functionality in the provider edge router
then you have MPLS.
--Michael Dillon
sign problem
rather than a hard and fast rule.
http://www.postel.org/pipermail/end2end-interest/2002-March/001848.html
--Michael Dillon
s. It is still far from the projection of
one million routes that some people have made and it is
still less than today's routing table size.
--Michael Dillon
etail to
be carried locally, given the same constraints of RAM and processing
power in routers.
--Michael Dillon
GENI already out of the bottle?
http://www.nsf.gov/cise/geni/
http://www.ana.lcs.mit.edu/papers/PDF/Rethinking_2001.pdf
http://cfp.mit.edu/docs/overview.pdf
http://cfp.mit.edu/groups/internet/internet.html
Seems like there is enough interest in this to plan something
for NANOG 36 early next year.
--Michael Dillon
providing proper resiliency, they will raise the
premiums for business insurance in those areas and this
will provide the economic incentive for customers to force
ISPs to build a sensible 21st century utility architecture.
--Michael Dillon
erall
latency. But when we talk about the Internet, then we include
all the private interconnects and public exchange points
and tromboning of traffic due to peering "issues", etc.
--Michael Dillon
--Michael Dillon
ntations that deal with the topic.
If OSPF area boundaries were more fluid, rather like
the period covered by a moving average... Of course,
this might not be so nice if it was done across
AS boundaries.
--Michael Dillon
in.net/ARIN-XVI/agenda/tuesday.html#policy
--Michael Dillon
This would mean more use of public exchange points.
Also, I think it makes sense to have a second regional layer
of aggregation where you group neighboring cities that have
a lot of traffic with each other. I think this would result
in no more than 20-30 regions per continent.
--Michael Dillon
r. Good ideas can
come from anywhere and we can often understand our
own area of interest much better by comparing and
contrasting with other similar areas of interest.
--Michael Dillon
GP on your brand-X boxes".
--Michael Dillon
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