Re: Satellite latency

2002-03-05 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 12:53 AM, David Luyer wrote: > Often the server TCP stack and the customer TCP stack may be dodgy and > sometimes > even unable to directly communicate, but the good TCP stack in the > middle can > communicate to both of the dodgy TCP stacks at either end as well

Re: Telco's write best practices for packet switching networks

2002-03-07 Thread Joe Abley
On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 04:37 , Sean Donelan wrote: > My comment was originally prompted by the meeting minutes which > reported on the survey data showing that 100% of carriers are > implementing > firewalls in their gateways. The 100% is what caught my eye. As the > topic comes up i

Re: Telco's write best practices for packet switching networks

2002-03-08 Thread Joe Abley
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 08:39 , Ron da Silva wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 04:48:49AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: >> >> ...I don't think I can put it any more clearly. There has got >> to be a push from the USERS of this equipment (not just one user, all >> users) to get line

Re: Telco's write best practices for packet switching networks

2002-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 03:23 , Ratul Mahajan wrote: >> Perhaps the attacks on core routers aren't bad enough to justify such >> a drastic step yet. I get conflicting signals from engineers still >> working. Some say they see attacks all the time, others say they've >> never seen one on

Re: Links between cabinets at commercial datacentre

2002-04-17 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 02:29 , Kevin Loch wrote: > "Rubens Kuhl Jr." wrote: >> >> Spread-spectrum radio systems are not that easy to DoS, a good benefit >> from >> the original military applications. > > Actually, at close range it should be trivial to Dos an 802.11 system. > Just >

NANOG 25 and Diamond Aircraft (warning! non-operational content)

2002-04-20 Thread Joe Abley
For those private pilots planning to attend the meeting in Richmond Hill, Diamond Aircraft are located about two hours (drive) away at CYXU. The popular DA20-C1 two-seat trainer is manufactured on the field, as is the new four-place DA40-180 which has received some glowing reviews recently (s

Re: What extent do ISPs care about diff types of Traffic Engineering?

2002-04-24 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:47 , Shivkuma wrote: > Inter-domain: >- Hot potato/cold potato routing >- Inbound load balancing (between peering links) >- Inbound load balancing (between transit links or a mix of > peering/transit) >- Outbound load balancing (between peeri

Re: Large ISPs doing NAT?

2002-05-01 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 10:33 , Steven J. Sobol wrote: > > On Wed, 1 May 2002, Deepak Jain wrote: > >> I'm more concerned that if the major metropolitan markets deploying >> GPRS >> all use NAT, then the Next Big Thing won't ever happen on GPRS devices. >> Customers won't jump ship if th

Re: IP renumbering timeframe

2002-05-06 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:41:09AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > On 5/6/02 10:20 AM, "Grant A. Kirkwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sorry, but ARIN's policy practically _encourages_ the "efficient > > wasting" of space to qualify for PI space. This is one of the most > > frustrating things

Re: Bogon list

2002-06-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 12:48 , Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: >> Then we come to the extra bogons like exchange point allocations. Can't >> forget them. :) > > I've never heard anyone refer to the IXP allocations as "bogons." Plus, > I've > not heard of anyone filtering the IXP prefixes

Re: Bogon list

2002-06-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 03:47 , Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > Exchange point blocks SHOULDN'T be transited by anyone, therefore you > should not hear them from your peers. Unless an exchange point includes such a restriction in the agreements with their participants, isn't this a privat

Re: Bogon list

2002-06-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 07:49 , Sean M. Doran wrote: > | Messy traceroutes make the helpdesk phone ring. > > Messy architecture is worse! Agreed. An inconsistent architecture is a messy one. Why treat exchange subnets differently to any other bit of backbone infrastructure? Why number p

Re: mail-abuse.org down?

2002-06-08 Thread Joe Abley
On Sunday, June 9, 2002, at 12:06 , John Payne wrote: > On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 11:06:04AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Yesterday morning, I noticed mail-abuse.org appeared to be down >> (unreachable). I checked again, and it's still unreachable. In fact, I >> can't even reach its nam

Re: mail-abuse.org down?

2002-06-08 Thread Joe Abley
On Sunday, June 9, 2002, at 12:58 , John Payne wrote: > On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 12:46:59AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: >> traceroute to 209.208.0.0 (209.208.0.0), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets >> 15 gsvlfl-br-1-s2-0.atlantic.net (209.208.6.126) 50.244 ms 49.778 ms >>

Re: How do I log on while in flight?

2002-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, at 04:54 , Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote: > The FCC prohibits communication using a cellular telephone while in an > aircraft in US airspace. In Canada, I don't believe there is such a > regulation. I couldn't find the energy to go swimming in the Canadian Air Regulat

Re: Notes on the Internet for Bell Heads

2002-07-11 Thread Joe Abley
On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 08:24:38PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > Yes, several people mentioned that the two groups should just maintain > their seperate ways. There is this thing called convergence. I know a small number of operators with really talented and dedicated architecture people who hav

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-13 Thread Joe Abley
On Saturday, July 13, 2002, at 06:17 , Stephen Stuart wrote: >> Legend speaks of a well known BGP community referred to as 'no export', >> which causes people with no direct connections to $carrier to not >> have to listen to all that extra junk while still engineering inbound >> traffic w/ mor

Re: No one behind the wheel at WorldCom

2002-07-15 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 02:44 , Pedro R Marques wrote: > I would be inclined to agree with your statement that the major blame > should lie on "router vendors" if you see your router vendor as > someone that sells you the network elements + the NMS to manage it. The NMS for the vast majo

Re: What is a reasonable range for global BGP table size?

2002-07-18 Thread Joe Abley
On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 05:25 , Marshall Eubanks wrote: > I still don't see where the excess 20K routes come from. Could these be > internal routes from an iBGP ? The export policy of contributors to route-views collectors is not well-defined. While some participants might be sending a

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6 Jul 2005, at 11:41, Scott McGrath wrote: You do make some good points as IPv6 does not address routing scalability or multi-homing which would indeed make a contribution to lower OPEX and be easier to 'sell' to the financial people. As I read the spec it makes multi-homing more difficu

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7 Jul 2005, at 08:27, Andre Oppermann wrote: Err... So you want to protect the incumbent ISP's? Even those once started off with 200 customers. Who is going to decide if some (today) small ISP is worthy of receiving its own PA space or not? Pretty much any ISP is capable of obtaining th

Re: mh (RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008)

2005-07-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2005-07-07, at 10:10, Kuhtz, Christian wrote: Anyone here care to share operator perspectives shim6 and the like? Do we actually have anything that anyone considers workable (not whether somebody can make it happen, but viable in a commercial environment) for mh? There is no operati

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2005-07-07, at 10:23, Andre Oppermann wrote: It was about a spot in the global routing table. No matter if one gets PA or PI they get a routing table entry in the DFZ. There is no way around it other than to make the routing protocols more scaleable. With the hole-punching/CIDR abus

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2005-07-07, at 12:53, Alexei Roudnev wrote: We have relatively PI address space in IPv4, which works fine, even with current routers. No any problem to hold the whole world-wide routing with a future ones. Is it a pproblem keeping 500,000 routess in core routers? Of course, it is not (

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8 Jul 2005, at 19:26, Daniel Roesen wrote: On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 12:52:35AM +0200, Andre Oppermann wrote: Multihomed end sites usually get away with receiving only default route or some partial routes from their upstreams. So technically you can BGP multihome with Cisco 1600 or even sma

EP.NET 198.32.0.0/16 assignments and bogon filters

2005-07-10 Thread Joe Abley
Since I've just run into the second of these in as many weeks, I thought this was perhaps worth a mail to the list. EP.NET assign netblocks from 198.32/16 to various Internet infrastructure providers, including exchange points and prominent (e.g. ccTLD) nameservers. And maybe other things, f

Re: Non-English Domain Names Likely Delayed

2005-07-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18 Jul 2005, at 18:43, Jason Sloderbeck wrote: I don't know of any other IEEE/NANOG/IETF/ICANN-sanctioned method to completely confuse even a savvy IT user who is trying to determine the validity of an SSL site. If I was feeling especially cynical (and hey, who isn't on a Monday?) I'd

Re: You're all over thinking this (was: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service)

2005-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 20 Jul 2005, at 21:46, Brad Knowles wrote: In the case of regular cell phones, if you are roaming on a network in a foreign country, or you have rented a local phone, I understand that the carriers have gotten together and made sure that the various 911/112/999 emergency services numbers

Re: compromized host list available

2005-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21 Jul 2005, at 12:02, Joseph S D Yao wrote: Unless you have personally verified each entry, you would do well to add a disclaimer that DNSRBLs are not 100% reliable, eh? Unless I'm mistaken (and my first report hasn't arrived yet, so maybe I am) this is more of a "heads up! the followi

Re: GSM gateways in the US?!?

2005-07-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24 Jul 2005, at 19:21, John Levine wrote: North America is all mobile party pays, so calls to mobile cost the same as calls to landline. ... not inside the [same provider's] mobile network, cell phone to cell phone. See T-Mobile's "Unlimited Mobile-to-Mobile" component of their service

Re: 6to4 routes disappeared from most of North America?

2005-07-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26 Jul 2005, at 20:44, Todd Vierling wrote: Maybe I missed it, but was there some concerted effort to remove or block access to the 2002::/16 route on the v6 backbone in North America recently? Connectivity to/from 6to4-only hosts seems sketchy at best. Of the US hosts I've tried, only I

Re: Extension For E911 "Not as Good As..." Rule

2005-07-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27 Jul 2005, at 11:17, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: After Aug. 30, VoIP providers will have to cut off subscribers who refuse to acknowledge the warning, according to the ruling by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). ... because if there's an emergency, a handset which gives no

Re: as numbers

2005-07-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30 Jul 2005, at 15:03, Hank Nussbacher wrote: On Sat, 30 Jul 2005, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: The RIPE NCC has hit strong resistance to reclamation, most often with the argument that the ASes are used in inter-domain routing on the Internet but our BGP data collectors just do not see the pa

Re: as numbers

2005-07-31 Thread Joe Abley
On 31 Jul 2005, at 01:23, Robert Boyle wrote: I agree that implementation sooner rather than later is a good idea, but all of us already have a 2-Byte AS so although we care in theory and believe it is a good idea, we don't _really_ care as much as the first guy who gets a 4-Byte AS will.

Re: as numbers

2005-08-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1 Aug 2005, at 06:15, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Geoff Huston wrote: So - to NANOG at large - if you want your vendor to include 4-Byte AS support in their BGP code anytime soon, in order to avoid some last minute panic in a couple of years hence, then it would appear

Re: "Cisco gate" and "Meet the Fed" at Defcon....

2005-08-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2 Aug 2005, at 08:24, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: no, but I'd like to... since I'm upgrading and all (for security reasons and ipv6 is so much better for security, right? :) ) It has quality of service, too! Let's not forget that!

Re: Traffic to our customer's address(126.0.0.0/8) seems blocked by packet filter

2005-08-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3 Aug 2005, at 16:15, Roy Badami wrote: Marlon> just remember that not all networks use '126.255.255.255' Marlon> as a broadcast address. there are non-broadcast networks Marlon> where that address is a 'host' one. Surely the only networks on which this can be a host are:

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4 Aug 2005, at 14:35, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: 2. We know cable companies, dsl providers and mobile companies can use this many IPs, but they generally seem to make use of NAT and IPv6. If everyone in this category who could justify a /8 applied and received them we might be in real trou

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4 Aug 2005, at 21:51, Simon Lyall wrote: Creating a seperate instance or path though all that for IPv6 is probably going to be hard if it is all setup for everything to go one way. I know people who have set up such things using reverse proxies (listen on v6 for query, relay request to

Re: /8 end user assignment?

2005-08-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5 Aug 2005, at 07:54, Sabri Berisha wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 04:10:46AM -0700, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, Sabri Berisha wrote: With the use of anycast DNS servers on the internet, TCP is no longer an option for DNS. Bzzzt. Try again.

Re: Real-time WHOIS for .COM

2005-08-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10 Aug 2005, at 06:36, Florian Weimer wrote: Is there some kind of real-time WHOIS for .COM (and friends) which allows you to determine at least the corresponding registrar? whois.crsnic.net?

Re: Question about propagation and queuing delays

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 22-Aug-2005, at 11:14, David Hagel wrote: This is interesting. This may sound like a naive question. But if queuing delays are so insignificant in comparison to other fixed delay components then what does it say about the usefulness of all the extensive techniques for queue management and co

(non-op) Calling Exchange Point Operators

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Abley
A couple of people have expressed interest in an exchange-point BOF at NANOG 34 in Los Angeles. The BOF would include a few short presentations on topics of interest to exchange point operators, with time for more general comment and discussion. The kinds of topics that have been suggested

Re: ISP's In Uproar Over Verizon-MCI Merger

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Aug-2005, at 19:16, Lewis Butler wrote: And what does every country ahead of the US have in common? Tiny populations. And waht does every country but one have in common? Very small area. The US has states taht are larger than 10 of the 11 countries ahed of use, COMBINED. (popu

Re: ISP's In Uproar Over Verizon-MCI Merger

2005-08-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Aug-2005, at 22:43, Dan Golding wrote: I suggest you take another look at these numbers. Those countries with overall population densities lower than the US's all have something in common - they are really cold. Iceland, Canada, Finland, Norway, Sweden. Folks in those countries are dens

the right list to use for talking about nanog is nanog-futures

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Abley
On 31-Aug-2005, at 14:52, Barry Shein wrote: Sorry for the interruption but I wish just once I could follow a topical list where 50% or more of the traffic wasn't people posting or arguing about how this or that post was off-topic! As Randy alluded earlier, the right list to use for this kind

Re: What happened to root-server serial number?

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2-Sep-2005, at 15:11, Peter Dambier wrote: ADD: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:13 I don't speak for any other nameserver on this list (and I don't especially speak for this one, since I'm not part of the team at ISC that runs it). However,

How to volunteer tech/net services, etc for Katrina cleanup

2005-09-02 Thread Joe Abley
In the interests of providing willing volunteers with a productive place to offer their services, I just read the following: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/02/fcc_coordinating_tec.html This is arguably off-topic for this list, for which I apologise. However, I thought it was worth shari

Re: Very funny: While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies

2005-09-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Sep-2005, at 17:09, Church, Chuck wrote: So how did this newspaper server end up with NANOG posting rights anyway??? Servers don't get posting rights. From: headers get posting rights.

Opinions wanted re blog-style NANOG list content

2005-09-08 Thread Joe Abley
list? 2. Should NANOG encourage, facilitate, or otherwise support a blog or similar forum for this content? Please follow-up to the nanog-futures mailing list or send private commentary to the NANOG Steering Committee at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Joe Abley (for the NANOG SC)

Re: Multi-6 [WAS: OT - Vint Cerf joins Google]

2005-09-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10-Sep-2005, at 09:18, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: [Perhaps this thread should migrate to Multi6?] multi6 hasn't existed for some time. The "level-3 shim" approach to multi-homing that was the primary output of multi6 is being discussed in shim6. Suppose they not only have no plan but

Re: Multi-6 [WAS: OT - Vint Cerf joins Google]

2005-09-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 10-Sep-2005, at 21:42, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Sep 10, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Joe Abley wrote: Yes, according to the current RIR policies. [So the determination of "unworthy" above has been made, in effect, by RIR members.] And this is why v6 has failed and will contin

Re: OT - Vint Cerf joins Google

2005-09-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-Sep-2005, at 17:11, Daniel Roesen wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:28:22PM +0700, Randy Bush wrote: those who see full stats at ixes, v4/6 isps, etc will tell you that actual v6 traffic is miniscule. Not contesting the quantification, but what typical IXP switches can do stats based

Re: Multi-6 [WAS: OT - Vint Cerf joins Google]

2005-09-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Sep-2005, at 03:28, Crist Clark wrote: Igor Gashinsky wrote: [snip] Moving everything to the end-hosts is simply not a good idea imho. But isn't that what IP is supposed to be about? Smart endpoints, dumb network (a.k.a. the stupid network)? And with many peer-to-peer applications,

[jabley-spew] This list has a FAQ

2005-09-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Sep-2005, at 23:36, Dennis Dayman wrote: *cough* http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi?ispname=TDC *cough* Dang it... I forgot about that. Just in case there's anybody here who has forgotten about it, the NANOG list has a FAQ: http://www.nanog.org/listfaq.html which includes

Re: PRIX - Puerto RIco Internet Exchange

2005-09-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Sep-2005, at 16:03, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: There is already an IX called DIX (Denmark) so PRIX should work as well :) There's an exchange called the PNIX in Palmerston North, New Zealand, too.

Re: [Misc][Rant] Internet router (straying slightly OT)

2005-09-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30-Sep-2005, at 09:32, Randy Bush wrote: To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps run your own RIP-lab necromancy will be severely punished. many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the warning "you will now learn why not to use rip."

Re: (What If?) ccTLD Delegation Question

2005-10-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Oct-2005, at 17:28, Joe Johnson wrote: Call it Monday Boredom, if you will, but a funny DNS question just popped into my head: if I were to, say, win the lotto and buy my own Island (which, of course, would technically be its own country), would I be able to receive a ccTLD for said

Re: TLD anycast clouds?

2005-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Oct-2005, at 02:54, william(at)elan.net wrote: I'm pretty sure ISC runs anycasted dns servers too and they run .museum TLD and serve as secondary for one or two other TLDs. Service for the nameservers NS-EXT.VIX.COM and NS-EXT.ISC.ORG are provided by an anycast cluster along the line

Re: TLD anycast clouds?

2005-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Oct-2005, at 05:53, william(at)elan.net wrote: 2002::/16 AS3344 - 6to4 relay anycast - no longer done, right?? 6to4 is alive and well. Joe

Re: TLD anycast clouds?

2005-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Oct-2005, at 11:33, Florian Weimer wrote: * Joe Abley: On 5-Oct-2005, at 05:53, william(at)elan.net wrote: 2002::/16 AS3344 - 6to4 relay anycast - no longer done, right?? 6to4 is alive and well. For some values of. I believe the bit.nl 6to4 gateway still generates IPv4 packets

Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering

2005-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Oct-2005, at 11:57, Simon Lockhart wrote: On Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:50:52AM -0400, Matthew Crocker wrote: I opened a billing/support ticket with Cogent. I'm not planning on paying my bill or continuing the contract if they cannot provide full BGP tables and full Internet transport (ba

Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering

2005-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Oct-2005, at 13:43, Jeff Shultz wrote: And why isn't this apparently happening automatically? Pardon the density of my brain matter here, but I thought that was what BGP was all about? I welcome any education the group wishes to drop on me in this matter. For most ISPs, normal prac

Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering

2005-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Oct-2005, at 15:22, Jeff Shultz wrote: Interesting. Balkanization of the Internet anyone? As one other commenter hinted at, it does sound like a recipe for encouraging multi-homing, even at the lowest levels. How many ASN's can the system handle currently? It's a 16-bit number; 0 i

Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering

2005-10-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6-Oct-2005, at 19:38, Schliesser, Benson wrote: Customers don't want to pay for a "stochastic set of relationships", they will pay for the "Internet" however. What is "Internet"? Let's channel Seth Breidbart briefly and call it the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive s

Re: DNS question

2005-10-08 Thread Joe Abley
Doug, On 8-Oct-2005, at 16:01, Randy Bush wrote: I have a hint record pointing to a name server that has not been used to several years. what's a "hint record?" ns glue? If yes, then it depends on what the nameserver in question is called (more accurately, what the parent zone is).

Re: Requesting P.I. Space from ARIN - latest issues?

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Oct-2005, at 11:33, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I meet the Multihoming requirement, which means I can get a block as small as a /22, which is about right for my needs. Are there still any concerns about networks (as Verio and Sprint h

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Oct-2005, at 10:13, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: Yep, there is no multihoming, but effectively, except for the BGP tricks that are currently being played in IPv4 there is nothing in IPv4 either. But one won't need to upgrade a Tier 1's hardware to support shim6, as shim6 is: 1) no

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Oct-2005, at 11:27, Daniel Roesen wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:57:59AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: The big gap in the multi-homing story for v6 is for end sites, since those are specifically excluded by all the RIRs' policies on PI addressing right now. Shim6 is intended to

Re: Choosing new transit: software help?

2005-10-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Oct-2005, at 11:48, David Hubbard wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know most nanog responses seem to go off list immediately but I'd be interested in this as well for traffic engineering. A top AS and top prefix talkers would be really useful. perhaps you have forgotten this nift

Re: shim6 (was Re: IPv6 news)

2005-10-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Oct-2005, at 14:48, David Conrad wrote: On Oct 14, 2005, at 7:57 AM, Joe Abley wrote: The big gap in the multi-homing story for v6 is for end sites, since those are specifically excluded by all the RIRs' policies on PI addressing right now. Shim6 is intended to be a solutio

Re: shim6 (was Re: IPv6 news)

2005-10-14 Thread Joe Abley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14-Oct-2005, at 15:16, Owen DeLong wrote: BTW, as I read it, SHIM6 requires not only modification to ALL nodes at the site, but, modification to ALL nodes to which the node needs reliable connectivity. For one host with multiple, globally-u

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Oct-2005, at 15:29, Tony Li wrote: So the IETF identified 4 reasons to multihome. Of those 4, shim6 ignores at least 2 of them (operational policy and cost), and so far as I can see glosses over load sharing. If you have a solution that satisfies all requirements, you should cont

Re: And Now for Something Completely Different (was Re: IPv6 news)

2005-10-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Oct-2005, at 03:37, David Conrad wrote: Shifting the NAT to end system removed the objection to NAT, tho it's not entirely clear why. Shifting NAT to the end system also happened to simplify the entire solution as well. Except for the part about having to rewrite all existing imp

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Oct-2005, at 10:27, John Reilly wrote: On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 22:02 -0700, David Conrad wrote: I _really_ wish people would stop saying '"unlimited"' or 'almost infinite' when talking about IPv6 address space. It simply isn't true, even in the theoretical sense, and particularly given

Re: And Now for Something Completely Different (was Re: IPv6 news)

2005-10-16 Thread Joe Abley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16-Oct-2005, at 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:55:38 EDT, Joe Abley said: Thought experiment: how many different software vendors need to change their shipping IPv6 code in order for some new feature like shim6 to be

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Oct-2005, at 11:08, Joe Abley wrote: Yes, you're mistaken. The locator identifier is chosen from the host's pool of upper-layer identifiers. Oops -- I meant "the upper-layer identifier is chosen from the host's pool of locators". Must Not Post Before Coffee. Joe

Re: design of a real routing v. endpoint id seperation

2005-10-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Oct-2005, at 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:53:12 CDT, John Dupuy said: In fact, this is technically feasible right now with IPv4. Does anyone know of a pair of ISPs doing this? "technically feasible" and "business case reasonable" are two different things

Re: What is multihoming was (design of a real routing v. endpoint id seperation)

2005-10-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Oct-2005, at 05:56, Robert Bonomi wrote: *sigh* Multi-homing simply means [...] As became clear when we wrote the draft that became RFC 3582, apparently simple terms such as "transit provider" and "multi-homing" mean surprisingly different things to different people. The importa

Re: oh k can you see

2005-10-31 Thread Joe Abley
On 31-Oct-2005, at 17:49, Bill Woodcock wrote: Which leaves the question of why F, and now K, appear to be trying to do it. F's covering prefix, 192.5.5.0/24, is advertised to peers of F-root local nodes with NO_EXPORT. 192.5.5.0/24 is advertised to peers of AS 3557 without NO_EXPORT.

Re: oh k can you see

2005-11-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Nov-2005, at 14:19, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: or am i naive too? I think you underestimate the tendencies of ISPs all over the world to leak peering routes towards their transit providers. Contrary to popular belief, leaks through peers in remote regions do not always result in hug

Re: oh k can you see

2005-11-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Nov-2005, at 15:15, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: ok sure, but is this not just normal transit issues, these are not special because they are a) anycast b) root-servers? You're right -- these are normal issues that any multi-homed AS might see. The effectiveness of knuckle-rapping after

Re: oh k can you see

2005-11-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Nov-2005, at 17:52, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: Sam Crooks wrote: Pardon my stupidity, but could someone point to a good explanation of Anycast (vs uni, broad and multi...)? {mutter, mumble, google is your friend} http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=anycast+definition Also

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Nov-2005, at 09:07, Russ White wrote: - -- BGP is currently moving to a 2^32 space for AS numbers. That's odd, if there's only 18,044 origins in the current table, and it won't ever grow to much more--how'd we lose 40,000 or so AS numbers, that we now need more than 64,000? http://www

Opinions wanted re NANOG meeting terminal rooms

2005-11-04 Thread Joe Abley
g Committee at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Joe Abley (for the NANOG SC) [1] <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/> (as if anybody here needs this)

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Nov-2005, at 05:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Henk's slide number 5 he states: "Each AS wants to be able to send traffic to any other AS" This is NOT true. Many ASes explicitly do *NOT* want to send traffic to any other AS. Wanting to do something and wanting to be able to do someth

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Nov-2005, at 16:35, Randy Bush wrote: IX---SwitchA---SwitchB---Router ok, i gotta ask. you folk really do this on exchanges? I seem to think I've seen people doing this at most exchanges ISC has installed an F-root node at. The motivation is usually the avoidance of either expe

Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues

2005-11-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Nov-2005, at 10:59, Brian Kerr wrote: On 11/17/05, Eric Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes should be missing? There seem to be larger problems, http://www.cogent.com returns: That does seem to be a problem for cogent.com. To complete y

Re: IP Prefixes are allocated ..

2005-11-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Nov-2005, at 01:15, Glen Kent wrote: to different Autonomous systems. No, but... Is there a central/distributed database somewhere that can tell me that this particular IP prefix (say x.y.z.w) has been given to foo AS number? I tried searching through all the WHOIS records for a dom

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies

2005-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29-Nov-2005, at 09:30, David Barak wrote: I have yet to find an organization which is concerned about getting new PI space which would have a problem paying that amount per year. They may exist, They definitely exist. Joe

Re: BGP Security and PKI Hierarchies

2005-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29-Nov-2005, at 12:16, David Barak wrote: Maybe my imagination just isn't good enough: could you toss me an example-type of organization where that would be problematic? Oh, my mistake -- you're talking about new organisations looking to acquire PI space. I was talking about organisatio

Re: Gothcas of changing the IP Address of an Authoritative DNS Server

2005-12-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Dec-2005, at 16:28, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sam Cr ooks writes: I would think you would want to drop your DNS record TTLs for all domains being moved to something very low several days before the switch-over period. More precisely, you want to chan

Re: Gothcas of changing the IP Address of an Authoritative DNS Server

2005-12-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Dec-2005, at 10:17, Joe Maimon wrote: Joe Abley wrote: You also want to check all the registries which are superordinate to zones your server is authoritative for, and check that any IP addresses stored in those registries for your nameserver are updated, otherwise you will

Re: Gothcas of changing the IP Address of an Authoritative DNS Server

2005-12-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Dec-2005, at 11:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: currently in the middle of such a safe, conservative transition leads me to believe that there will -NEVER- be a point w/ there are no queries to the old address. (he says, 24 months into a transition...) It's

Re: Bogon filtering (don't ban me)

2004-12-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5 Dec 2004, at 06:50, Cliff Albert wrote: I have one question regarding the CYMRU bogon route-server. What good is it if more-specific bogons are going around in the BGP table ? With OpenBSD 3.6 running pf and bgpd, you can apply a filter rule to BGP updates received from individual peers whi

Re: Bogon filtering (don't ban me)

2004-12-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5 Dec 2004, at 13:31, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Joe Abley wrote: With OpenBSD 3.6 running pf and bgpd, you can apply a filter rule to BGP updates received from individual peers which updates a pf radix table with the network

Re: Anycast reliability (was: Re: verizon.net and other email grief)

2004-12-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13 Dec 2004, at 15:27, Steve Gibbard wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Simon Waters wrote: Inspection suggests that the anycast announcements in the UK were pointing to a server that wasn't accepting email. I believe here the problem is using anycast, and not providing a backup system not using anyc

Re: Anycast 101

2004-12-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17 Dec 2004, at 06:33, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 17-dec-04, at 11:23, Joe Shen wrote: is there any problem or anything must be taken care about when anycast is employed within a DNS server farm within MAN? What I mean is, if we want to employ anycast in a cache server farm which is locate

Re: Any net disruptions from Indonesia quake / Tsunami?

2004-12-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26 Dec 2004, at 16:39, George William Herbert wrote: I haven't seen any reports, but a 8.9 and widespread tsunami activity in the Indian Ocean and Bay of Bengal seem likely to have caused undersea cable problems. I'm no expert, but I'd imagine that any under-sea damage would be isolated to sha

Re: Any net disruptions from Indonesia quake / Tsunami?

2004-12-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26 Dec 2004, at 17:13, Joe Abley wrote: On 26 Dec 2004, at 16:39, George William Herbert wrote: Suresh, someone mentioned you were in the affected area, you seem to still be with us from your spam thread response, which is a relief. Suresh is in Madras, I think. The BBC says Madras was

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