Re: Routing table in a file

2002-06-14 Thread David Meyer
archive.routeviews.org might have what you're looking for. Dave On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 11:26:39AM -0700, Roy wrote: >> >> Does anyone dump their copy of the routing table to a flat file >> regularly and make this available? I need do some queries. The web >> based versions don't accept modi

Was [Re: Sprint peering policy]

2002-06-29 Thread David Meyer
Stephen, >> I think this is the key point. Its common sense that peering >> with the downstreams will improve user quality of service by >> both reducing latency and taking unnecessary points of failure >> out of the network. Is it really common sense? If so, is the common sense correct? In f

Re: multicast (was Re: Readiness for IPV6)

2002-07-09 Thread David Meyer
Here's my $0.02 on the whole multicast thing. We've been at this for a number of years now, and robust, ubiquitous multicast on the internet is really nowhere in sight. Kind of sounds like QoS, and maybe there's a lesson there (20 years of research and IETF activity, yielding, well, what?). Giv

Re: multicast (was Re: Readiness for IPV6)

2002-07-09 Thread David Meyer
>> Even worse, multicast is truly only suitable for live applications; on-demand >> content can't be realistically mcasted, and users will not settle for "the movie >> starts every 15 minutes" when they've been used to live VOD with unicast. The >> only saving grace may be things like TiVo, wher

Re: multicast (was Re: Readiness for IPV6)

2002-07-09 Thread David Meyer
>> the IETF's efforts have been extremely fruitful. That is good to hear. Dave

Re: Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread David Meyer
Pete, >> I'm doing some analysis of who I might be able to reach via >> multicast through Sprint. >> >> Sadly, route-views multicast peering with Sprint is not >> working at the moment. My mistake. I'll fix it. Dave

Re: Sprint multicast route list

2002-07-11 Thread David Meyer
It's there now. route-views.oregon-ix.net>sh ip mbgp sum | inc 1239 144.228.241.81 4 1239 4900318729 114266 170 00:02:34 3975 Dave On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 12:01:12PM -0700, David Meyer wrote: >> >> Pete, >> >> >> I'm doing some a

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-07 Thread David Meyer
Andre, On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 06:04:22PM +0200, Andre Oppermann wrote: > > Joe Abley wrote: > > > >On 2005-07-07, at 10:23, Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > >>It was about a spot in the global routing table. No matter if one gets > >>PA or PI they get a routing table entry in the DFZ. The

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-07 Thread David Meyer
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:58:56AM -0700, Alexei Roudnev wrote: > > What's the problem with independent address space for every entity (company, > family, enterprise) which wants it? Big routing tables? Is RT of 1,000,000 > routes BIG? I do not think so. Memory is cheap, modern routing schemas lik

Re: shim6 (was Re: IPv6 news)

2005-10-14 Thread David Meyer
Seems like it might be a good time to update everyone on the IAB IPv6 Multi-homing BOF we're holding Monday afternoon at NANOG. My very draft introduction slides are on http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/talks/NANOG35/multihoming. Dave pgpNenCFArWcU.pgp Descriptio

Re: IPv6 news

2005-10-17 Thread David Meyer
On Sun, Oct 16, 2005 at 01:45:40AM -0700, Tony Li wrote: > > > > >Doesn't NAT, or more specifically the most commonly used, NAPT, create > >hard state within the network, which then makes it violate the > >end-to-end argument ? Also, because it has to understand transport and > >application layer

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2005-10-26 Thread David Meyer
John, On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 02:08:50AM +1000, Geoff Huston wrote: > > From: John Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: shim6 @ NANOG > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:11:45 -0400 > > > Public thanks to Dave, Geoff, Vijay, Ted and Jason for their > involvement in bringing shim6 to the NA

Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!

2005-11-11 Thread David Meyer
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:39:09AM -0800, Fred Baker wrote: > > None that I have spoken with. What I hear continually is that people > would like operational viewpoints on what they're doing and are > concerned at the fact that operators don't involve themselves in IETF > discussions.

Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!

2005-11-11 Thread David Meyer
> but please don't plan yet another "the wonderful things the > ivtf is doing in area x." Actually, that is not at all what I had intened or planned, and if it came across that way then to some extent we failed. In any event, I do appreciate this feedback. > t

Re: route-views.routeviews.org down?

2005-11-22 Thread David Meyer
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:16:11AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > I am unable to telnet or ping route-views.routeviews.org. No event listed > at http://www.routeviews.org/update.html > > Is it just me? Sorry folks, we've been having a memory fragmentation problem. Should be

Re: route-views.routeviews.org down?

2005-11-22 Thread David Meyer
>> bummer that. data not being collected. one weeps to think of >> all those announcements lost forever. >> >> is a data gap like a mineshaft gap? Just to be clear: The box that hung was route-views.routeviews.org. We collect 'sh ip bgp' RIBs from this box on 2 hour

BTW, have I mentioned my "perfect storm hypothesis"?

2005-12-15 Thread David Meyer
Long story short (excerpt from an email I sent to Tony Bates and Larry Lang): --- In our discussion yesterday on the Service Exchange Architecture (SEA) list, I mentioned a kind of a "Telecommunications Perfect Storm" (TPS) that we should at least b

Re: BTW, have I mentioned my "perfect storm hypothesis"?

2005-12-15 Thread David Meyer
[...] > How many of these are in place today? Well, clearly google > is building out, so there is potential for (i). to occur > any day now. Likewise (ii) (linksys gear with 4 tunable > radios, North-South WiMAX, east west 802.11bag, and > you're there). Finally, (iii)

Re: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]

2005-12-15 Thread David Meyer
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 07:34:56PM -0800, David Meyer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:29:29AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, John Kristoff wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) >

Re: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]

2005-12-15 Thread David Meyer
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:52:20AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > Hello Dave; > > > > This won't open for me. > > > > Do you have a pdf of these slides ? > > > > On Dec 15,

Re: Tracking spoofed routes?

2005-01-05 Thread David Meyer
Kevin, >> I am seeking avenues to investigate a possible case of IP address spoofing. >> >> I've recently received complaints which suggest that in the recent >> past (but not right now), somebody may have announced a more specific >> prefix, effectively hijacking "unused" address space

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-07-01 Thread David Meyer
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 02:54:30PM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Mohacsi Janos wrote: > > > > > > This keeps coming up in each discussion about v6, 'what security measures' > > > is never really defined in any real sense. As near as I can tell it's > > > level of '

some light reading on complexity and the internet

2002-11-07 Thread David Meyer
Many people have asked me to put the references from my complexity panel talk up somewhere. You can find some of the relevant literature on http://www.maoz.com/~dmm/complexity_and_the_internet I will try to keep this up to date, and please let me

Re: Internet Measurement Workshop

2002-11-07 Thread David Meyer
I very much agree with Steve. The workshop has been interesting and relevant. Dave On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 03:58:10PM +0100, Steve Bellovin wrote: >> >> Let me point folk at the Internet Measurement Workshop: >> http://www.icir.org/vern/imw-2002/ including especially the >> link to the online p

updates to complexity pages

2002-11-27 Thread David Meyer
Many people have asked to to update my complexity pages with a bit of theoretical background to to support some of the material there (in particular, percolation theory). So, as promised, I've updated http://www.maoz.com/~dmm/complexity_and_the_internet

Re: dontaing bgp config files [Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows]

2002-12-02 Thread David Meyer
Ratul, >> understanding of routing (especially inter-domain) in the research >> community is really primitive. this precludes us from having realistic >> routing models. we recently started working on understanding prevalent >> inter-domain routing policies. the ultimate goal is to improv

Re: Qwest Utah fiber cut

2004-05-21 Thread David Meyer
>> >> I was hoping someone might be able to shed some light on the Utah cut. >> >> The news report said that the cut happened near Monroe Utah, which is several miles >> off of I 70. Yet the cities that were reported effected included St. George, Cedar >> City, and Salt Lake, which all are ad

can someone from Savvis and Radianz contact me?

2004-11-04 Thread David Meyer
I'm looking for some multicast information. Thanks, Dave

route-views now present at NSPIXPII

2003-06-27 Thread David Meyer
Greetings, route-views (AS6447) is pleased to announce our presence at NSPIXPII (202.249.2.166), courtesy of Akira Kato and WIDE. The route-views project operates BGP route collectors that provide global routing data to both operator and r

Re: Sea sponge builds a better glass fiber

2003-08-21 Thread David Meyer
>> I'm still waiting for the discovery of its natural enemy, the Backhoeiosaur. All kidding aside, my concern is that it's natural enemy has just found it. >> It's such a wonderful example of how exquisite nature is as a >> designer and builder of complex systems," said Geri Ric

Re: dry pair

2003-08-29 Thread David Meyer
>> Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry >> pair between two buildings connected to the same CO? >> >> When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about. Try ordering a LADS circuit (they come in 2 or 4 pair). Dave

Re: dry pairs

2003-08-29 Thread David Meyer
>> It's genrally called a lads circuit. BTW, LADS == Local Area Data Service. Dave >> >> joelja >> >> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Pendergrass, Greg wrote: >> >> > >> > Neither do we. Could you include some more details? >> > >> > -Greg >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Austad, Jay

New routeviews service available (Address/Prefix -> AS/ASPATH mappings)

2003-09-18 Thread David Meyer
All, In response to requests from many folks asking for prefix to AS mappings, routeviews is now providing 2 new services mapping and address or prefix to its origin AS and to its ASPath. These services are available via two zones: (i).asn.ro

Re: Tomatoes for Verisign at NANOG 29

2003-10-16 Thread David Meyer
>> I would also suggest that we try to make contact with a second-harvest or >> other organization that may be able to use the tomatoes afterwards. Or just use your time and resources to do some good for those who are less fortunate in the first place. Using food of any ki

Route-Views peering at PAIX and NSPIXP

2003-10-27 Thread David Meyer
As part of the "Route-Views Update" presentation delivered at the NANOG 29 in Chicago, we openly invited participants at the PAIX (install pending) and NSPIXP (WIDE) exchanges to peer with Route-Views (AS6447). For those who may have forgotten or were not

new routeviews mailing lists

2003-10-31 Thread David Meyer
Folks, We have set up a few new mailing lists for the routeviews project; see http://routeviews.org/~majordom/rv-lists.html Thanks, Dave

route-views up at PAIX (Palo Alto)

2003-12-12 Thread David Meyer
Folks, We are now up and running at the PAIX (Palo Alto) and would like to invite folks at the PAIX to peer with with Route-Views. Please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like contribute your view. Thanks, The Route-Views Tea

Re: Routeviews and possible 0/0 route

2003-12-18 Thread David Meyer
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:05:56PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I'm seeing the following in RouteViews (possibly since they started >> getting data from paix): >> >> route-views.oregon-ix.net>sh ip bgp 0.0.0.1 >> BGP routing table entry for 0.0.0.0/, version 19579757 >> Paths: (2 avail

Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage)

2004-02-25 Thread David Meyer
Jared, >> I keep hear of Frame-Relay and ATM signaling that is going >> to happen in large providers MPLS cores. That's right, your "safe" TDM >> based services, will be transported over someones IP backbone first. >> This means if they don't protect their IP network, the TDM servic

Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage)

2004-02-25 Thread David Meyer
Jared, >> >Is your concern that carrying FR/ATM/TDM over a packet >> >core (IP or MPLS or ..) will, via some mechanism, reduce >> >the resilience of the those services, of the packet core, >> >of both, or something else? >> >> I'm saying that if a network had a FR/AT

Re: Converged Networks Threat (Was: Level3 Outage)

2004-02-25 Thread David Meyer
Petri, >> I think it has been proven a few times that physical fate sharing is >> only a minor contributor to the total connectivity availability while >> system complexity mostly controlled by software written and operated by >> imperfect humans contribute a major share to end-to-end

Re: iMPLS benefit

2004-03-04 Thread David Meyer
Hey Suki, On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 02:14:20PM -0800, sonet twister wrote: >> Hello, >> >> i heard there is a way to run MPLS for layer3 VPN(2547) >> service without needing to run label switching in the >> core(LDP/TDP/RSVP) but straight IP (aka iMPLS). ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-dra

Re: iMPLS benefit

2004-03-05 Thread David Meyer
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:02:10AM -0800, Yakov Rekhter wrote: >> Dave, >> >> > Hey Suki, >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 02:14:20PM -0800, sonet twister wrote: >> > >> Hello, >> > >> >> > >> i heard there is a way to run MPLS for layer3 VPN(2547) >> > >> service without needing to run labe

New route-views collector up at the LINX

2004-03-17 Thread David Meyer
Folks, We are now up and running at the LINX (London Internet Exchange) and would like to invite folks at the LINX to peer with route-views. You can get to the open CLI via 'telnet route-views.linx.routeviews.org' (of course, nothing much there yet)

Re: BGP TTL check in 12.3(7)T

2004-04-08 Thread David Meyer
>> The TTL mechanism is just a way to distinguish at low cost between >> good for_us traffic and junk. So more of a classifer than a security >> layer, though it can be argued both ways. And even though it >> does have security in the title, it is _not_ a panacea for "securing" >> bgp or any rout

Re: route-views.oregon-ix.net

2004-05-10 Thread David Meyer
Pete, On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 11:15:46AM -0400, Peter Rohrman wrote: >> >> Is route-views.oregon-ix.net down? I cant get to it. Please use route-views.routeviews.org (we're trying to transition of the exchange addresses as they are not routed everywhere). Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenie

routeviews outage

2006-01-10 Thread David Meyer
Folks, We've had a UPS failure in the colo space where much of the routeviews gear is housed. We're working on bringing it all back up, but I suspect its going to be a few minutes (like 30-45). Thanks, and sorry for any inconvenience. Dave

Re: protocols that don't meet the need...

2006-02-14 Thread David Meyer
Tony/all, > I am not going to speak for the IETF, but why would they? Their meetings are > already open, and to be globally fair the proposed coordinators would have > to attend 3-5 extra meetings a year to cover all the ops groups. I am also not speaking for the IETF (IAB), but t

Re: protocols that don't meet the need...

2006-02-14 Thread David Meyer
Christian > On Feb 14, 2006, at 4:47 PM, David Meyer wrote: > > > Tony/all, > > > >>I am not going to speak for the IETF, but why would they? Their > >>meetings are > >>already open, and to be globally fair the proposed coordinators &g

Re: protocols that don't meet the need...

2006-02-15 Thread David Meyer
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 07:09:38PM -0500, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > David, > > On Feb 14, 2006, at 5:07 PM, David Meyer wrote: > >>Hmm, well, when there is lots of vendor and academia involvement, no, > >>there's no operator community presented in number of t

Re: protocols that don't meet the need...

2006-02-15 Thread David Meyer
Daniel, On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:51:12AM +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:47:31PM -0800, David Meyer wrote: > > IETF). Now, while many in the IETF argue that there is no > > such thing as an "operator community",

Re: shim6 rides again (Re: protocols that don't meet the need...)

2006-02-15 Thread David Meyer
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:26:47AM -0600, Randy Bush wrote: > > > Funny that shim6 is being mentioned. The corresponding open mic session > > at 35 showed how gathering people for 20 minutes of complaining can > > effectively replace long, protracted email threads. > > and what was the effect

Re: a radical proposal (Re: protocols that don't meet the need...)

2006-02-16 Thread David Meyer
> It's a little more basic than that. I'm no graph theory expert and reading > such stuff gives me a headache, but I do understand that abstraction > (summarization or aggregation) of routing information is only possible if the > identifiers that are used for numbering network elements (the > "addr

Re: a radical proposal (Re: protocols that don't meet the need...)

2006-02-16 Thread David Meyer
stimates and demographics, some don't recognize those terms, and, a > few just want enough Class C networks to get their job done for the day. Yep, very true. Dave > > Cutler > > At 2/16/2006 10:41 AM -0800, David Meyer wrote: > One of th

Re: searching for BGP table donors

2006-03-05 Thread David Meyer
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 09:38:02PM +, Edward B. DREGER wrote: > > Greetings all, > > The fuss over shim6, routing table size, and long-prefix PI space has > intrigued me. I've started analyzing some [simulated] FIBs and believe > I may have found something interesting. In the name of stat

Re: searching for BGP table donors

2006-03-05 Thread David Meyer
On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 01:54:52PM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Edward B. DREGER wrote: > > In the name of statistical sampling, I'd like to analyze some other > > [simulated] FIBs from different BGP views. > > Would anyone be interested in donating "show

Re: shim6 @ NANOG

2006-03-06 Thread David Meyer
Stephen, > Thus spake "Tony Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Stephen Sprunk wrote: > >>Who exactly has been trying to find scalable routing solutions? > > > >Well, for the last decade or so, there's been a small group of us who > >have been working towards a new routing architecture. Primary >

Re: 2006.06.06 NANOG-NOTES CC1 ENUM LLC update

2006-06-08 Thread David Meyer
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 01:39:41PM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote: > > > Tell you what -- I'd love to see this for every meeting, in some sore of > official capacity. Seconded. I found the this especially useful as I was unable to attend this time. --dmm pgps1jvoVrTvd.p

Possible IAB workshop on routing and addressing participants?

2006-06-19 Thread David Meyer
Folks, The IAB is considering holding a routing and addressing workshop, perhaps in the fall 2006 time frame (see the draft invite below). We're in the process of collecting potential participants, so please pass along any the names of folks that t

Re: rv2 outage

2007-08-20 Thread David Meyer
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 01:50:53AM -0400, tariq biziou wrote: > >Although I have still NOT seen any evidence to either support > >or dispell this report, I did see this report regarding some > >sort of "show ip bgp regexp" DoS exploit circulating on Friday: > > > show ip bgp regexp (.*)(_\1)+ > V

Re: routeviews down?

2007-11-08 Thread David Meyer
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 06:54:27AM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > > it seems to be broken in a number of ways. i reported a few hours ago. We're having problems with switch room power. We're working on it. Sorry about the inconvenience. Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: routeviews down?

2007-11-08 Thread David Meyer
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:09:56AM -0600, Ryan Harden wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Our BGP Session to them has been up and down several times over the last > few days, but is currently up. Yeah, the problem was power in the UO switch room power d

Brief update [Re: routeviews down?]

2007-11-08 Thread David Meyer
I'm down in the Oregon Hall switch room and what I see is that it appears one of the power transfer switches we had failed and shorted out between two UPSs. Most things are back up, with the notable exception of archive.routeviews.org (which is fscking at t

update [Re: routeviews down?]

2007-11-08 Thread David Meyer
We're back now. Please let us know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if you notice anything "strange". Thanks, and sorry again for the inconvenience. Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Removal of my name

2006-09-20 Thread David Meyer
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 02:59:47PM -0400, Derek J. Balling wrote: > An e-mail message *can* in fact, be HTML, as HTML is a text payload > like any other. > BTW, for mutt, you might try In .mailcap: text/html; lynx -dump -force_html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput;

Addresses of the Route Views (Oregon) collectors are changing

2006-10-14 Thread David Meyer
Over the next few weeks the addresses of the four Route Views collectors in Oregon are changing: Collector Old Address New Address route-views.routeviews.org128.223.60.103 128.223.51.103 route-views2.routeviews.org 128.223.60.102 128.223.51.102 route-views3.routevi

Re: RIS [Re: AS41961 not seen in many networks]

2007-01-05 Thread David Meyer
> (and we are always interested in any suggestions to improve RIS) Likewise routeviews. Let us know if there are peerings folks would like us to pick up. --dmm pgpAPYKudUw2t.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-13 Thread David Meyer
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:45:07PM +, Chris L. Morrow wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Roland Dobbins wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote: > > > > > what business drivers are there to put more bits on the wire to > > > the end user? > > > > BitTorrent.