Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Dave Pooser
> I can understand the logic of dropping the port, but theres some > additional thought involved when looking at Port 22 - maybe i'm not > well-read enough, but the bots I've seen that are doing SSH scans, etc, > are not usually on Windows systems. I can figure them working on Linux, > MacOS syste

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008, Mark Foster wrote: > > To me, at least half the users likely to be running either Linux or Mac > are going to be the same users who're going to request they be allowed > outbound SSH is the blocking of outbound SSH considered to be > sufficiently useful that we're ad

RE: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Sorry if I wasn't more clear, but I'm not asking about inbound attempts, I'm asking about the number of outbound attempts a host would perform. Frank -Original Message- From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Mark Fos

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Justin Shore
Mark Foster wrote: Port 22 outbound? And 23? Telnet and SSH _outbound_ cause that much of a concern? I can only assume it's to stop clients exploited boxen being used to anonymise further telnet/ssh attempts - but have to admit this discussion is the first i've heard of it being done 'en ma

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Justin Shore
It varies widely. I see some extremely slow scans (1 SYN every 2-5 minutes). This is what someone on the SANS ISC page mentioned I believe. I've also seen scans last for up to 10 minutes. The consistency of the speeds made me think that perhaps the scanning computer was on a slow link. T

RE: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
While I don't do flow monitoring today, when monitoring for outbound spam with Wirekshark I have seen hosts systematically check all the hosts in the block for an open SMTP port. I'm sure a lot more is going on that I don't know. The patterns are obvious to the human observer -- too bad that suc

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Jay Hennigan
Dave Pooser wrote: Half the Mac users? You think? I know a dozen or so sysadmins who use Macs, [raises hand...] and about a hundred users who wouldn't know SSH from PCP; I think that's probably a slightly skewed sample considering I'm a Mac geek who hangs around with Mac geeks, and I'd gues

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread William Norton
I was quite surprised to see the large number of Mac laptops at NANOG 42. I didn't do a formal count but it seemed like about 1/4 to 1/3 of the laptops in use were Macs. ...You know, now that you mention it, I was also quite impressed with how many macbook pros there were in room as we

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On Saturday 08 March 2008, Justin Shore wrote: > What kind of customer-facing filtering do you do (ingress > and egress)? This of course is dependent on the type of > customer, so lets assume we're talking about an average > residential customer. We supply to mid-to-small ISP's mostly, and sizeab