Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Roy wrote: You will want: http://www.isi.edu/ant/address/index.html -Hank I guess no one told them that someone might consider this an attack? I have set up detectors where pinging consecutive "honeypot" ip addresses results in the source IP address being blacklisted for

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Duane Wessels
ISI folks have been taking this census since at least mid 2003. We vizualized their data using our tool and then made a movie showing the changes from 2003 to late 2006. If you have 27 MB and a few minutes to spare you can download it from here: http://maps.measurement-factory.com/gallery/USC-

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Leigh Porter
27MB? I duno, that's quite a lot.. I'll have to delete some mp3s first.. Duane Wessels wrote: > > > ISI folks have been taking this census since at least mid 2003. > > We vizualized their data using our tool and then made a movie showing > the changes from 2003 to late 2006. If you have 27 MB a

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Chris Owen wrote: You can't consider every wacko on the net when doing something like this. Anyone who considers a ping an attack probably isn't worth worrying about. I tend to agree, but back when I manned the abuse desk (among others) at my former employer, I would see

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Gadi Evron
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Leigh Porter wrote: You are more likely to get 5000 zonealarm emails Or a place on dshield's top 10. Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Chris Owen wrote: You can't consider every wacko on the net when doing something like this. Anyone who consider

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-12 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On 10/12/07, Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > > > If it's multicast TV I don't see the problem, it doesn't increase your > > backbone traffic linearly with the number of people doing it. > > However if you have UK-style ADSL ppp backhaul

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-12 Thread Tony Finch
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > If it's multicast TV I don't see the problem, it doesn't increase your > backbone traffic linearly with the number of people doing it. However if you have UK-style ADSL ppp backhaul then multicast doesn't help. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Tim Franklin
On Fri, October 12, 2007 2:49 pm, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > "HOST x.x.x.x ON YOUR NETWORK PINGED ME I TAKE MY SECURITY > SERIOUSLY!! I'M CALLING THE FBI!!!" That I can *sort* of understand - it's the flaming zealotry of "ALL ICMP IS EEEVIL!" trickling down from 99% of firewall admins wor

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Chris Owen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 12, 2007, at 12:50 AM, Roy wrote: I guess no one told them that someone might consider this an attack? You can't consider every wacko on the net when doing something like this. Anyone who considers a ping an attack probably isn't worth

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Leigh Porter wrote: You are more likely to get 5000 zonealarm emails Got tons of those... ...and BlackIce, DShield, Norton, SamSpade, and all the rest :) But there were also lots of people who took time out of their busy day to personally write their own flaming ema

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Leigh Porter
You are more likely to get 5000 zonealarm emails Justin M. Streiner wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Chris Owen wrote: > >> You can't consider every wacko on the net when doing something like >> this. Anyone who considers a ping an attack probably isn't worth >> worrying about. > > I tend to

The Cidr Report

2007-10-12 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Oct 12 21:14:04 2007 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2007-10-12 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 10-Sep-07 -to- 11-Oct-07 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS9583 647514 6.2% 552.0 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 2 - AS9498 159345 1.5%

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Deepak Jain
Ok. To make my own contribution to this thread hijack somewhat operational... How many people have had to add to their NOC/Abuse desk SOP: "When someone calls threatening that they are the FBI/CIA/NSA/Your grandmother returned from the dead... but essentially, "Don't Panic. And they are b

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Mark Foster
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Tim Franklin wrote: On Fri, October 12, 2007 2:49 pm, Justin M. Streiner wrote: "HOST x.x.x.x ON YOUR NETWORK PINGED ME I TAKE MY SECURITY SERIOUSLY!! I'M CALLING THE FBI!!!" That I can *sort* of understand - it's the flaming zealotry of "ALL ICMP IS EEEVIL!" t

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Mike Lewinski
Florian Weimer wrote: I don't know what case prompted Ferg to post his message to NANOG, but I know that there are cases where failing to act is comparable to ignoring the screams for help of an "alleged" rape victim during the "alleged" crime. I'm reminded of this story from earlier this yea

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Mike Lewinski
Paul Ferguson wrote: So, back to my original question: If you alert an ISP that "bad and possibly criminal" activity is taking place by one of their customer, and they do not take corrective action (even after a year), what do you do? In at least one case, where I knew the offender had been b

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Mike Lewinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On a side note, now that I've gotten back on -post I will say that I've had pretty dismal experiences working with Law Enforcement over the years as a service provider. When you have to explain to

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Steve Atkins
On Oct 12, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Mark Foster wrote: (If some random dynamic IP host on the other side of the world started hitting my firewall for no apparent reason, i'd be raising my eyebrows too. Of course, these days, I have a much better idea of what is genuinely threatening and what

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Gadi Evron
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Paul Ferguson wrote: So, back to my original question: If you alert an ISP that "bad and possibly criminal" activity is taking place by one of their customer, and they do not take corrective action (even after a year), what do you do? That's a different question all toge

Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center

2007-10-12 Thread Lorell Hathcock
www.sun.com/blackbox Has anyone seen one of these things in real life? I hear that there's been one sighted in Houston. I would love to take a tour. Also, is anyone using anything like this? It seems like they would make great fiber huts. Lorell

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >That's a different question all together, not about criminal ISPs, which >[...] No, not necessarily. Given that there are Tier 1 ISPs, Tier 2, etc., so you can certainly have some small-ish ISP colluding

RE: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center

2007-10-12 Thread Buhrmaster, Gary
> Subject: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center > > www.sun.com/blackbox > > > > Has anyone seen one of these things in real life? SLAC has a blackbox (which is actually white) installed, and running it packed with servers for batch computing for the high energy physics program. htt

Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity?

2007-10-12 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 12 16:26:36 2007 > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:23:15 GMT > Subject: Re: How to Handle ISPs Who Turn a Blind Eye to Criminal Activity? > > So, back to my original question: If you alert an ISP that "bad and > possibly criminal" activity is taking place by one of thei

Re: Researchers ping through first full 'Internet census' in 25 years

2007-10-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 10/12/07, Steve Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 12, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > > > > (If some random dynamic IP host on the other side of the world > > started hitting my firewall for no apparent reason, i'd be raising > > my eyebrows too. Of course, these days,