1. This is AI slop, can't we write emails ourselves anymore?
2. Hurricane Electric has stated that the abuse they saw made offering free BGP
tunnels not worth it anymore, I believe it extended beyond simple types of
abuse that can be filtered, and it included content networks not trusting HE
do
On 3/2/25 23:16, john doe wrote:
I’m looking for equipment to build a 100G MPLS/SR network. This won’t be a
large setup—likely around six PE routers connected in a 100G ring, with
distances ranging from 100 km to 400 km. These routers will also need to
aggregate local links from 10G up to 100G.
On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 01:35:25PM +0100,
Havard Eidnes via NANOG wrote
a message of 60 lines which said:
> However, there is nothing *technological* in the DNS which says
> that you can't start a new public registry and hand out domain
> names to different organizations under a given DNS doma
My point still stands as well. Volkan and myself choose to post to make
awareness of this issue.
> If you didn't ask about their fee schedule during a feasibility study
prior to obtaining a service from them yet obtained the service from them
regardless that's on you to deal with, not your chosen
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 9:11 AM Jay wrote:
>> Every subdomain is in fact a domain name.
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> Not necessarily.
Yes, necessarily!
> Remember my example cat.p.dirtside.com? P.dirtside.com is a
> subdomain of dirtside.com. It's an administrative grouping of
> domain names that have a pa
I didn't say anything illegal. I have been hoping to reach people who
believe right of speech and rights to broadcast ideas.
You could simply disregard if you disagree. Or say your ideas politely.
You are not in position (supermoderator) to tell moderators "do something"
so Please; be polite!
>
> You could simply disregard if you disagree. Or say your ideas politely.
> You are not in position (supermoderator) to tell moderators "do something"
This list is community moderated. We all are in a position to ask the NANOG
staff moderator to do something when someone repeatedly violates the
he owns content-heavy (mostly outbound) network , as6939 is not eyeball.
so he has to do peering for their own good...
they gained tier 1.5 position thanks to their peering links.
they are not in position to change peering policy to selective or
restrictive
until they convince cogentCO to pe
On 3/3/25 04:38, Niels Bakker via NANOG wrote:
Agreed on both counts. Look at this monstrosity:
Subject: [NANOG] Re: [NANOG]Re: Hardware for MPLS/SR network
That happened since the "[NANOG]" was changed to "[NANOG] " and mailman will
only catch the current prefix. Mailman will find any in
* Ray Bellis [Mon 03 Mar 2025, 11:26 CET]:
Note also that the List-Id has changed from to
.
This broke my folder filtering.
Same. To be fair, that change, while unnecessary, was preannounced here
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2025-February/227312.html
-- Niels.
__
If "smart" means both good and cheap then I'll answer your question with
another question: is anyone doing merchant with comparable feature depth
and lower pricing to broadcom?
I think the most affordable good, read smart, choices are sprayed across
Jericho and trident.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2025, 1:51
+1
On 3/2/25 22:43, Fredrik Holmqvist / I2B wrote:
Hi.
Would recommend taking a look at:
Arista DCS-7280SR-48C6 (6x 100G + 48x 10G SFP+) available at around USD
2,000 (eBay)
Arista DCS-7280QR-C36 (12x 100G + 24x 40G (can be split to 4x10, or use
QSFP-SFP+ adapters for single SFP+) available
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* br...@bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields) [Mon 03 Mar 2025, 00:47 CET]:
The footer is a bit redundant, as mailman3 has the direct link in
the "Archived-At:" header now. I'd propose removing the footer and
subject prefix, and investigate implementing ARC now that we can
sup
On 03/03/2025 10:02, Bryan Fields via NANOG wrote:
Currently the list is configured to rewrite the from as being from the
list, ex: "From: Bryan Fields via NANOG ". It is
possible to see if the signature on the inbound message was valid by
looking at the "Authentication-Results: lists.nanog.o
On Sun, Mar 02, 2025 at 11:17:35PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Many mailing lists have moved away from Subject:/body rewriting
> because it breaks DKIM signatures and may prevent successful message
> delivery to recipients whose servers enforce the sender's DMARC
> policy. The alternative is to
Attention to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with HE. It's in the subject.
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 5:03 PM Tom Beecher wrote:
> I’m not sure what you are attempting to gain by CCing this list on messages
> like this, but please stop.
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 13:16 Volkan SALiH
> wrote:
>
> > M
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 at 22:43, Fredrik Holmqvist / I2B wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Would recommend taking a look at:
> Arista DCS-7280SR-48C6 (6x 100G + 48x 10G SFP+) available at around USD
> 2,000 (eBay)
> Arista DCS-7280QR-C36 (12x 100G + 24x 40G (can be split to 4x10, or use
> QSFP-SFP+ adapters for sin
Hi.
You can find the software by some googling. :)
There is lots of guides out there, Arista have the EOS software manual
online without login.
Also lots of good YouTube courses available for Arista.
If you worked with Cisco, it will be no hassle at all.
We migrated from Cisco to Arista with mi
It's not the first time OP has sent emails to the list or CC'ed the list on
these emails that are IMO irrelevant, not to mention the fact that a large
portion of what they've said has been disproven (see their previous email
regarding the global IX with discounted peering and transit services).
>There are plenty of them out there.
As a rural network operator, that is simply false. We have had to build
fiber about 20 route miles ($1MM) to reach our second provider. Our first
provider was 4 route miles.
Required BGP fees are a disease and messages like this produce awareness
for those o
My point still stands - how you get to them in what one could consider an
“off-net location” is for you to consider. You made a business decision to
build out your network location in the area you did, just like HE made the
decision to charge fees for services they charge for. If you didn't ask
[ caveat: we are happy users of both HE and Cogent ]
> 2. Hurricane Electric has stated that the abuse they saw made
>offering free BGP tunnels not worth it anymore
i am impressed/surprised that they have done it for so long. iij
stopped a couple of decades ago; the thought being that its ut
Hi
This guy is building a router with 10G performance, but the interesting
thing was he was able to get it with using the CPU's IP acceleration.
Maybe find the detail on this, and maybe you could do it on other hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSQbpS9waIA
Mike
On 4/3/2025 6:02 am
On 3/2/25 6:46 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
There are two other options:
1. Rewrite the from for all messages
2. Implement ARC https://arc-spec.org/
Option one is a bit like a shotgun approach, but it works across all providers, and is well
understood. A number of other lists in our industry do
> On 3 Mar 2025, at 19:40, Craig Smith via NANOG wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Is anyone using a routing solution based on DPDK and VPP? I'd like to use
> commodity server/appliance hardware to build a router capable of 10g+
> bandwidth and near maximum pps routing.
>
> Looking to have:
> Bird / FRR
Vyos is working to add DPDK and I'm 95% sure its only in their nightly
rolling releases and not in their supported releases.
https://blog.vyos.io/vyos-project-update-february-2025
DANOS is fully DPDK but there haven't been any open source releases since
Cienna took over the closed source edition.
On 3/3/25 12:30 PM, Matt Corallo via NANOG wrote:
On 3/2/25 6:46 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
There are two other options:
1. Rewrite the from for all messages
2. Implement ARC https://arc-spec.org/
Option one is a bit like a shotgun approach, but it works across all
providers, and is well unde
On 3/2/25 3:46 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
There are two other options:
1. Rewrite the from for all messages
2. Implement ARC https://arc-spec.org/
Option one is a bit like a shotgun approach, but it works across all
providers, and is well understood. A number of other lists in our
industry do
On 3/3/2025 2:28 PM, Sam Thomas via NANOG wrote:
Surprised I'm the first (I know of) to complain that List-id: changed. (insert
whining about how I had to adjust email filter here)
I just had to update my procmail config to match the new
list-id.
I've been complaining (in my head) since it
Lol... all I can say is "Welcome back NANOG!" :)I see nothing has changed.99.9%
edited their rule. 0.1% complained about the interruption to normal
programming and my inbox is full of noise. As for DKIM etc. It's a bit
like the endless whois debate in my region that results in the tool beco
Hi,
I have posted a revision of draft-gont-v6ops-multi-ipv6. This document
contains the problem statement regarding the support of multiple
routers, multiple interfaces, and multiple prefixes by IPv6 hosts.
This revision polishes the text quite a bit, and incorporates two
"failure" scenarios
Mailman deals with DKIM fine.
It’s all in the setup.
—
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 3, 2025, at 18:39, Don Gould wrote:
>
>
> Lol... all I can say is "Welcome back NANOG!" :)
>
> I see nothing has changed.
>
> 99.9% edited their rule. 0.1% complained about the interruption to normal
> progr
I see, that's not how it reads to me.
Cogent is known to tack on BGP fees - $50/mo? - and my favorite one was
when the contract didn't have it but they added it after installation.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 1:42 PM TJ Trout wrote:
> Josh this crazy guy is talking about remote v6 BGP tunnels which
Hey Craig,
I have some experience with this, and can say that with the right setup, it is
phenomenally performant with the correct hardware selection. Most intel network
cards also have support within VPP/DPDK/XDPstuff for using the DDIO feature,
which allows packets to be 'written' from the N
On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 3:39 AM Niels Bakker via NANOG
wrote:
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Niels Bakker
> To: nanog@lists.nanog.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 10:38:20 +0100
> Subject: [NANOG] Re: DKIM and list policies (was Re: Scheduled Maintenance
> Finis
On 3/3/25 20:40, Craig Smith via NANOG wrote:
Hello,
Is anyone using a routing solution based on DPDK and VPP? I'd like to use
commodity server/appliance hardware to build a router capable of 10g+
bandwidth and near maximum pps routing.
Looking to have:
Bird / FRR (BGP and BFD)
LLDP
VPN (IP
I know! I had to update my rules too! Was wondering why all the list traffic
was finding its way into my inbox.
—
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 3, 2025, at 15:50, Vinny Abello via NANOG
> wrote:
>
> On 3/3/2025 2:28 PM, Sam Thomas via NANOG wrote:
>> Surprised I'm the first (I know of) to com
On Mon Mar 03, 2025 at 01:40:06PM -0500, Craig Smith via NANOG wrote:
> Is anyone using a routing solution based on DPDK and VPP? I'd like to use
> commodity server/appliance hardware to build a router capable of 10g+
> bandwidth and near maximum pps routing.
There are various commercial routing s
Totally agree, I'm willing to bet because of Cogent's bad behavior HE will
never follow that trend. You might need to look at the previous post, he
has a grievance with HE not giving remote v6 bgp tunnels away anymore, they
were for early v6 testing but ended up getting abused so HE discontinued
th
> 3. A global layer2 "IX" already exists for relatively low cost,
>Cogent has a "Global Peer Exchange" product where you only pay
>for traffic you do on your port.
i kinda wonder how this use of vlans scales under the covers.
... Right now the participation is low and the traffic levels a
Hello,
Is anyone using a routing solution based on DPDK and VPP? I'd like to use
commodity server/appliance hardware to build a router capable of 10g+
bandwidth and near maximum pps routing.
Looking to have:
Bird / FRR (BGP and BFD)
LLDP
VPN (IPSec or Wireguard)
VRRP
Thanks.
Hi,
I am not sure if I understand your question correctly. If I didn't,
feel free to correct me.
Every single AS out there "receives" RPKI-invalid routes. They are
just... there. There is a background noise of about 2-3% of
RPKI-invalid routes at all times (you can check this using the NIST
RPKI
Josh this crazy guy is talking about remote v6 BGP tunnels which HE
discontinued due to abuse, has nothing to do with BGP peering for transit,
he doesn't charge fees and probably never will.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2025, 5:46 AM Josh Luthman via NANOG
wrote:
> Attention to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions
Personally, I would recommend the Nokia 7250-ixr range for this transport role.
They are "affordable" while having the full carrier grade software stack and
there are a wide range of hardware options depending on your port requirements.
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:50:36 +0100
> Subject: [NANOG] R
We’re pretty happy with TNSR, it routes 100G and handles BGP/WireGuard without
sweating for us at the edge. It’s a bit pricey for a license compared to DIY,
but it includes competent email support at the base level. Just make sure you
get their OK before you start buying hardware, there are cert
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