On 2019-10-29, martin f krafft wrote:
[...]
> Society has moved on, and we all risk sounding like grumpy old folks
> reminiscing at the times when everyone knew what netiquette was if we
> don't embrace the progress that's been happening around us. And
> text/html is part of that progress, whether
On Wed 30 Oct 2019 12:57,
martin f krafft put forth the proposition:
> Regarding the following, written by "Martin Trautmann" on 2019-10-30 at 00:14
> Uhr +0100:
> > That's such a strange thing.
> > […]
> > since they never learned, how proper threading and quoting could have
> > worked?
>
> 78 c
Regarding the following, written by “Nuno Silva” on 2019-10-30 at 09:21 Uhr +:
There are users who don’t need text/html. It’s okay to want some way to use HTML for e-mail in mutt, but I’d say it’s not okay to say everybody needs it.
I’d love to see some statistics about the age of mutt user
Regarding the following, written by “Dave Woodfall” on 2019-10-30 at 10:05 Uhr +:
I don’t think embracing wrong email practices is the way forward.
I don’t think this is about right and wrong, and not only because there is no objectivity. multipart/alternative is an accepted standard, and s
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:53:40 +1300
martin f krafft wrote:
> Regarding the following, written by “Dave Woodfall” on 2019-10-30 at
> 10:05 Uhr +:
> >
> > I don’t think embracing wrong email practices is the way forward.
>
> I don’t think this is about right and wrong, and not only because
> t
On Wed 30 Oct 2019 23:53,
martin f krafft put forth the proposition:
> Regarding the following, written by "Dave Woodfall" on 2019-10-30 at 10:05
> Uhr +:
> > I don't think embracing wrong email practices is the way forward.
>
> I don't think this is about right and wrong, and not only becaus
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:37:43 +1300
martin f krafft wrote:
> Regarding the following, written by “Nuno Silva” on 2019-10-30 at
> 09:21 Uhr +:
> >
> > There are users who don’t need text/html. It’s okay to want some
> > way to use HTML for e-mail in mutt, but I’d say it’s not okay to
> > say e
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:57:59PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
>Regarding the following, written by "Martin Trautmann" on 2019-10-30 at
>00:14 Uhr +0100:
>
> That's such a strange thing.
> [...]
> since they never learned, how proper threading and quoting could
> have
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:37:43PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
>I'd love to see some statistics about the age of mutt users.
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* Mark H. Wood [10-30-19 08:26]:
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:37:43PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
> >I'd love to see some statistics about the age of mutt users.
>
> 62
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On October 30, 2019 5:29:01 AM PDT, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>* Mark H. Wood [10-30-19 08:26]:
>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:37:43PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
>> >I'd love to see some statistics about the age of mutt users.
>>
>> 62
>
>78
Not sure if these are guesses at the average or r
* Sean Greenslade [10-30-19 10:37]:
> On October 30, 2019 5:29:01 AM PDT, Patrick Shanahan
> wrote:
> >* Mark H. Wood [10-30-19 08:26]:
> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:37:43PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
> >> >I'd love to see some statistics about the age of mutt users.
> >>
> >> 62
> >
* Patrick Shanahan [10-30-19 10:42]:
> * Sean Greenslade [10-30-19 10:37]:
> > On October 30, 2019 5:29:01 AM PDT, Patrick Shanahan
> > wrote:
> > >* Mark H. Wood [10-30-19 08:26]:
> > >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:37:43PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
> > >> >I'd love to see some statisti
On October 30, 2019 7:41:34 AM PDT, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>* Sean Greenslade [10-30-19 10:37]:
>> On October 30, 2019 5:29:01 AM PDT, Patrick Shanahan
> wrote:
>> >* Mark H. Wood [10-30-19 08:26]:
>> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:37:43PM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
>> >> >I'd love to see
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 07:53:30 -0700
Sean Greenslade wrote:
> Of course there's massive selection bias in this list. No question
> about that. I just wanted to point out that there definitely are some
> younger Mutters out there. Though I tend to fall more on the grumpy
> about HTML mails side of t
On 2019-10-30, Sean Greenslade wrote:
> Of course there's massive selection bias in this list. No question
> about that. I just wanted to point out that there definitely are
> some younger Mutters out there. Though I tend to fall more on the
> grumpy about HTML mails side of this argument, so may
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:11:31PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día lunes, octubre 28, 2019 a las 04:50:40p. m. -0500, Derek Martin
> escribió:
>
> > > FWIW, I (as a mutt user for 15++ years) do not need this. Thanks
> >
> > Perhaps not, but the fact that it keeps coming up here is pretty c
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:31:19PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2019-10-29, martin f krafft wrote:
> That's true (as I understood the problem, anyway). Fortunately, I
> never needed to send a signed message with an attachment (or just a
> signed message, AFAIR). Nobody I know would have the
On 2019-10-30, Derek Martin wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:31:19PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2019-10-29, martin f krafft wrote:
>> That's true (as I understood the problem, anyway). Fortunately, I
>> never needed to send a signed message with an attachment (or just a
>> signed messa
Regarding the following, written by “Dave Woodfall” on 2019-10-30 at 11:25 Uhr +:
When messages turn up with no plain text part to them at all, or one that’s completely useless, it’s wrong.
I’d guess we all agree on that point.
We’re currently discussing the creation of multipart/alternativ
Regarding the following, written by “Mark H. Wood” on 2019-10-30 at 08:22 Uhr -0400:
Even Outlook seems incapable of badly damaging blocks of text, indented blocks of text, emphasis, underscore/italics, or lists.
I think this is the perfect reason why mutt needs to learn creating multipart/alte
Regarding the following, written by “John Long” on 2019-10-30 at 11:31 Uhr +:
From my point the issue is not only what I have to configure or what can be configured, but also how much code is behind doing that. Less code is easier to manage than more code. I can’t see the benefit of junking
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 07:39:34PM -0400, José María Mateos wrote:
To me, the gold standard of "selecting URLs while in text mode to be
sent to the browser" is a plugin for irssi ("the mutt of IRC clients",
I'd say) called simply url.pl. It tracks which URLs have been posted to
all channels one
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 07:04:48PM +, John Long wrote:
> > so you cater to people who have no idea, and cannot be bothered.
>
> Which is probably 99.9% of everybody in corp. offices worldwide.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for HTML support in mutt. HTML
> has absolutely no place
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:31:21AM +, John Long wrote:
> That doesn't really help. From my point the issue is not only what I
> have to configure or what can be configured, but also how much code is
> behind doing that. Less code is easier to manage than more code. I
> can't see the benefit of
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 11:29:31AM +, John Long wrote:
> > I don’t think this is about right and wrong, and not only because
> > there is no objectivity. multipart/alternative is an accepted
> > standard, and so is HTML. You might not like how things have
> > developed, and neither do I, but th
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