Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 08:55:07PM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: Just because you know when somebody has seen a mail 1st time, it doesn't mean it will be processed faster thereafter. This is not why return receipts exist. They exist so that the receiver can say, "I know you saw my e-mail, I have

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:52:58AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Then you don’t want a delivery notfication, you want read-it Nobody were saying that. We talk about "return receipts". > notification. That is in my eyes a very big difference. A delivery Not of concern. See above. > Yes, in my

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 05:15:10PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Before we (you or I) can judge what is harm- or useful to mutt, we > both would have to know 1st what mutt is about. I don't know it > (yet), do you? I don't think that the term 'harmful' needs an explination in whats mutt about. Harmful is

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 03:37:45PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: No. It is not important to _me_. It is important, because it is wideley used in business environments and supported by _every_ mua used in business environments, which makes it potentially used, which makes it important if you

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:52:58AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > >Mutt does not have return receipt support. Let me emphasize that: > > Yes, in my eyes this is good. Like always if certain features for > surveillance or monitoring are available, people want to use it. So > it is far better to not

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-10-11 11:28:46, schrieb David Champion: > This is correct. Mutt doesn't internally support MDNs. A patch has > been posted by Werner Koch, but it might not be current. Check the > mutt-dev archives. Does this only mean, sending of MDN's or receiving? I use mutt from "Debian" and someti

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 11:46:26AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: Yes, in my eyes this is good. Like always if certain features for surveillance or monitoring are available, people want to use it. So it is far better to not implement them. You did know that Mutt is one of the most configurable mail

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 06:20:41PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > I know this. But if your boss asks you, if your client can do MDNs and if > yes, you must activate it, it is far easier to say, no, it can not do > this. If your boss is going to ask you that question, then the next thing out of is

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 06:20:41PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > I know this. But if your boss asks you, if your client can do MDNs and if > yes, you must activate it, it is far easier to say, no, it can not do this. I don't believe that a boss that *asks* weither your MUA supports something that

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 04:39:55PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Say, like HTML mails, vCards, vacation messages, address books? Nothing of > this sort is supported by mutt but relies on external programs. HTML mails, hmm. Bad thing. I don't like, nor do I write them myself, but receiving them (b

Re: Updating to Ubuntu Gutsy no longer shows message counts

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Moseley
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:54:30AM +0300, Petteri wrote: > > > After upgrading my laptop from Feisty to Gutsy today when I get a list > > > of mailboxes (c-?-) it shows all my subscribed mail boxes but > > > with zero counts. > > Debian had similar problem couple of months ago, but it was fixed. D

Re: Updating to Ubuntu Gutsy no longer shows message counts

2007-10-22 Thread Petteri
Bill Moseley kirjoitti ma 22. lokakuuta 2007 12:21:15: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:54:30AM +0300, Petteri wrote: > > > > After upgrading my laptop from Feisty to Gutsy today when I get a list > > > > of mailboxes (c-?-) it shows all my subscribed mail boxes but > > > > with zero counts. > > > > D

Re: Updating to Ubuntu Gutsy no longer shows message counts

2007-10-22 Thread Justin Mazzola Paluska
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:21:15PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > I then grabbed the Debian source form a machine I'm running and it > looks like all debian patches are applies: > > $ apt-get source mutt > dpkg-source: extracting mutt in mutt-1.5.16 > dpkg-source: unpacking mutt_1.5.16.

Re: Updating to Ubuntu Gutsy no longer shows message counts

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Moseley
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 04:17:16PM -0400, Justin Mazzola Paluska wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:21:15PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > I then grabbed the Debian source form a machine I'm running and it > > looks like all debian patches are applies: > > > > $ apt-get source mutt > > >

Re: Updating to Ubuntu Gutsy no longer shows message counts

2007-10-22 Thread Justin Mazzola Paluska
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 02:39:00PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > I can't seem to run debuild on my Ubnutu system for the Debian package > has dependencies that can't be met on Gutsy. debbuild is a convenience wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage, so maybe dpkg-buildpackage is in Ubuntu. —Justin

553 spam source

2007-10-22 Thread Tom
A person I email often changed ISP. Since that change my emails to them come back with the error 553 spam source. This happened to one other person that I sent email, their address ended in @aol.com. I use msmtp, I have set envelope_from="yes", set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]", set use_from=yes

Asian fonts / xterm with Mutt

2007-10-22 Thread Joseph
What kind of xterm do you folks use with Mutt to display correctly Asian fonts, Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc? I've the following Chinese (I think) fonts installed: zh-kcfonts, arphicfonts, jisx0213, unfonts I have install "cxterm" and when I try to run it I get: - Warning: Cannot convert st

Re: 553 spam source

2007-10-22 Thread Tom
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 06:57:13PM -0500, Tom wrote: > A person I email often changed ISP. Since that change my emails to them come > back with the error 553 spam source. This happened to one other person that > I sent email, their address ended in @aol.com. > > I use msmtp, I have set envelo

Re: Asian fonts / xterm with Mutt

2007-10-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 07:51:01PM -0600, Joseph wrote: > What kind of xterm do you folks use with Mutt to display correctly Asian > fonts, Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc? I use standard xterm, using a UTF-8 environment and the GNU universal unicode (iso-10646) fonts, but the Chinese character sup