Re: Howto run a command in message hooks (was: Re: How to send a

2007-10-25 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hey Karl, it may have sounded arrogant, but indeed it wasn't intended to sound that. But... On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 10:35:31AM +1300, Karl. wrote: > Given that you asked for advice, perhaps you should work on accepting > all advice _graciously_, rather than being arrogant? You'll find it a Yo

Re: Howto run a command in message hooks (was: Re: How to send a

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:39:17PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > ls -la ~/.mutt/return_receipt You should work on you ability to _read_ mails others write _properly_. I told you, that the file _is_ executable. And as you eventually noticed someone else already pointed the right solution out to

Re: Howto run a command in message hooks

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 05:30:45PM +0200, Christian Brabandt wrote: > If you have used I think your stdin has changed to the > messages you piped. And read expects your answer from that filehandle. > So you might try explicitly setting your tty with read yn

Re: Howto run a command in message hooks

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi Christian, On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 04:56:13PM +0200, Christian Brabandt wrote: > Do you mind formating your message with a width < 80 chars? no, thats no problem. > Depending on what your want try either or Hm. That and what Dave Evans wrote works, at least partially. Now the script is lau

Re: Howto run a command in message hooks (was: Re: How to send a

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 04:53:23PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > What information do you expect me to presentate? Eventually my whole mutt > configuration just to ask why one specific message-hook (which I presentated) > is not working? There is only one information that I see that

Re: Howto run a command in message hooks (was: Re: How to send a

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:47:58AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Patrick Schoenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-24-07 10:42]: > > And even though the specified file is a valid executable script mutt says > > (when > > I open this mail in the pager): > &g

Howto run a command in message hooks (was: Re: How to send a return receipt)

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, as it does not seem to be integrated into mutt upstream (at least not in a forseeable timeline) I'm currently trying to figure who a scripted solution to my problem would look like. On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 06:14:48PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > It appears complex to you, but in fact it _is_ simple

Re: account-hook, imap_pass not used ?

2007-10-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:25:03PM +0200, Nicolas KOWALSKI wrote: > I am trying to use multiple IMAP accounts. Following the Wiki, I use > these settings: I have not yet used this multiple IMAP accounts, so I don't know this for certain, but.. > account-hook . 'unset imap_pass' ... my insti

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-23 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 06:14:48PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Yes, but I think you're too paranoid or haven't noticed the required > tools for such a solution: they are _basic_ unix tools like "ls", which I don't know who you process headers with basic unix tools, but I don't care. Because i face the

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 04:39:55PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Say, like HTML mails, vCards, vacation messages, address books? Nothing of > this sort is supported by mutt but relies on external programs. HTML mails, hmm. Bad thing. I don't like, nor do I write them myself, but receiving them (b

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 06:20:41PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > I know this. But if your boss asks you, if your client can do MDNs and if > yes, you must activate it, it is far easier to say, no, it can not do this. I don't believe that a boss that *asks* weither your MUA supports something that

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 05:15:10PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Before we (you or I) can judge what is harm- or useful to mutt, we > both would have to know 1st what mutt is about. I don't know it > (yet), do you? I don't think that the term 'harmful' needs an explination in whats mutt about. Harmful is

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:52:58AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Then you don’t want a delivery notfication, you want read-it Nobody were saying that. We talk about "return receipts". > notification. That is in my eyes a very big difference. A delivery Not of concern. See above. > Yes, in my

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-18 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:30:07PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Depends on what you want to achieve: do we want mutt to be > acceptable in the business no matter what? if we were talking about anything thats very harmful to mutt in general I would say: No. But we are talking about a mini feature, t

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, Derek I can only agree with you in everything you wrote. On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:58:52AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > Actually I think this is a fine example of why that argument is total > nonsense. Since SMTP support has been added, in what measurable way > has it caused Mutt to suck mo

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 07:52:03AM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: > > Being able to say, "Mutt can do that, if you write a script to do it, > > and write a macro to invoke the script and..." does not constitute > > support for a feature in Mutt. > > Not sure why not. The particular script or

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 04:10:22AM -0700, David Ellement wrote: > Mr. Schoenfeld has stated several times in this thread that he is trying > to respond to requests for a return receipt from his *customers*. It is > his concern that his customers be satisfied. Yes. Thanks for pointing that out. It

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 11:10:21AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > But DSNs are the way to go. The server should send the notification that it how can you define whats the way to go, if I can show you a usecase were this is exactly isn't whats needed neither whats wanted? It has been said a lo

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-17 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 10:54:16PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > color header ^dispo... color1 color2 that is what I currently do, but you cannot call this a notification. In fact it is nothing more then a mark. And so its a workaround again. > One action: macro(s). Well, you are right that this e

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-16 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:46:19PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Return-receipts being standard replies with a preformatted content > (nothing special about them), mutt _does_ support them, just not Well, the problem is that what you describe is not all. Additional the feature (to be comparable) it is a

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-16 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:18:05AM -0400, Jing Xue wrote: > Well, in the corporate* world where people communicate over Lotus Notes or > Outlook, they tend to use mail receipts a lot. And _because_ they all > communicate over the same MUA that supports the feature, it actually does > work

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-13 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 10:10:45PM +0100, Chris G wrote: > But you're asking for "proof that it reached us as the recipient" for > multiple recipients apparently, with a *single* acknowledgement. > That's just not possible in any sort of system. No. You get me wrong, repeatedly. I'm asking for a "

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-13 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 04:30:44PM +0100, Chris G wrote: > But as I understand it in most 'normal' MUAs if you have "one address > for several people" then it's split into separate messages at the > sender end of things and from then on is simply a separate message to > each recipient. But in whic

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-13 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 01:37:13PM +0100, Chris G wrote: > Surely if a mail is sent to (say) ten recipients it's pretty useless > to know that it got to just one of them. If all ten recipients had Eh.. no?! If you send it to 10 different recipients, with each representing a different role, then y

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-13 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:14:07PM -0600, Joseph wrote: > 8.12: How to send an auto-reply back when someone posts? thanks for that hint, but actually a auto-reply is not appropriate. I need something to actually confirm, because someone might already have sent it out. In another part of the t

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-13 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 02:06:44PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > Oh, come on, the "appropriate docs" would be the *mutt* documentation, > of course! Can we possibly ask a more vague or open-ended question? Haha! If it would be so obvious I wouldn't have asked, hu? Take for granted that I had a loo

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-13 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 07:35:02PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > Thus, any message that does not have an X-Disposition-Sent header is a > message that you haven't sent a response to, and messages that DO have > such a header won't trigger the macro. That does not work (at least in my case) becaus

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-12 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 05:04:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Why not? > What is it different from what you're looking for? a lot of extra effort is the difference. You cannot really compare sending a return receipt with sending a mail, where a r->"got it" really isn't enough. > Mutt can do tha

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-12 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 01:23:13PM -0600, Charles Cazabon wrote: > The concept of mail receipts is poorly designed; there is no way to implement I agree, if you look at whats given by the aspect of a evidence in law terms but it is practical if it is part of a given process between people. In

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-11 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 11:28:46AM -0500, David Champion wrote: > This is correct. Mutt doesn't internally support MDNs. A patch has Uhh, thats funny... in a not funny at all way. :-( > been posted by Werner Koch, but it might not be current. Check the > mutt-dev archives. Hm. I will look for

Re: How to send a return receipt

2007-10-11 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 05:59:45PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > Simply send a regular reply: "Seen and will do it." Thanks for the "advice", but this ain't a solution. Regards, Patrick

Re: How to limit displayed messages via folder-hooks

2007-10-06 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sat, Oct 06, 2007 at 12:19:00PM -0700, Gary Johnson wrote: > 'limit' is a function, not a command. folder-hooks execute commands Ahh. I understand. Thanks for pointing this out. > not functions. However, the 'push' and 'exec' commands will execute > functions. So one solution would be thi

How to limit displayed messages via folder-hooks

2007-10-06 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, i am reading several mailing lists (including mutt-users) and prefer to view those folders with 'limit ~N'. But it seems not to be possible to enable this limit for folders by default, by using folder-hooks. Example: folder-hook . 'limit all' folder-hook =Mailinglisten.mutt-users 'limit ~N'

Mutt and and IMAP Folders (Namespaces / Prefixes)

2007-10-01 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, I intend to use mutt in the feature for reading/writing emails. However, besides some defaults that seem strange to me, it is good. But I am experiencing problems with IMAP. Scenario: Our companies imap server is a dovecot imap server, migrated from an earlier courier imap. So this one has an