Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-16 Thread Russell Urquhart
Hi Willy, I got the +DEBUG when i ran that command. When i went to my ~ directory, and did the touch command, nothing happened. I too thought i might not have permission, but i have written things to this directory. Does mutt have to be chmod ed to do this? I execute the program, but have neve

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Patrice Levesque
> The message is that not everyone has time to become an expert in how > e-mail works fundamentally, and not everyone should. In fact, just > about no one should. This is what specialization is all about, and > like it or not our society has become extremely specialized. No, I'm sorry, the spec

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:11:57PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 15.09.14 14:48, Derek Martin wrote: > > You had to understand how it works, and configure your editor to do it > > right. Most users do not want to do that, and they should not have to. > > IIUC, the message is that those user

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Mark Filipak
=== Lurk-Mode OFF === Duck and cover! === Lurk-Mode ON === On 2014/9/15 10:09 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 14.09.14 16:29, Will Yardley wrote: >> The problem, though, is that doing so in a tool like mutt where the >> editor is (by design) completely divorced from the MUA does make it a >> l

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Will Yardley
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:11:57PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 15.09.14 09:29, Will Yardley wrote: > > Yes, but if you forget to do this, or manually mangle a line, you could > > end up generating non-compliant text. > > > > My point isn't that there aren't editors that are capable of gen

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-16 Thread Willy Offermans
Hello Russ, Just to be clear, the following. What does ``mutt -v | grep DEBUG'' give? If the answer is +DEBUG, then ... >From man mutt: ``If mutt was complied with +DEBUG log debugging output to ~/.muttdebug0. Level can range from 1-5 and effects verbosity. A value of 2 is recommended.'' Di

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-16 Thread Russell Urquhart
Hi again, I got the lock off my mail, so i am back up and running. I still cannot generate a muttdebug file. I have checked and recompiled my versions of mutt. I have started mutt with the -d4 parameter, but still nothing. Thanks again to everyone! Russ On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:08:43PM

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.09.14 09:29, Will Yardley wrote: > Yes, but if you forget to do this, or manually mangle a line, you could > end up generating non-compliant text. > > My point isn't that there aren't editors that are capable of generating > the text correctly, but that it's difficult to mutt to know for sur