Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager ---+ Reporter: miekg | Owner: mutt-dev Type: defect | Status: new Priority: minor | Milestone:

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Changes (by brendan): * priority: major => minor -- Ticket URL:

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Derek Martin): {{{ On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:47:28AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Mutt should not be redesigned in such a way as > > to be inconsistent with the current Unix paradigm for handling > > encodings, just

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:47:28AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Mutt should not be redesigned in such a way as > > to be inconsistent with the current Unix paradigm for handling > > encodings, just because you don't like your options... > > No, that's not the current Unix paradigm. The fact

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-04-05 22:31:43 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 05:13:27PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > There are also many bugs related to UTF-8, e.g. Debian bug 391452 > > (that's t

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-04-05 22:31:43 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 05:13:27PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > There are also many bugs related to UTF-8, e.g. Debian bug 391452 > > (that's the most important one), > > It seems likely that this is not a bug at all, but an improper > expe

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Derek Martin): {{{ On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 05:13:27PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2008-03-28 09:48:02 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > switch your environment to UTF-8. So who's the idiot? > > You're not living in t

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 05:13:27PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2008-03-28 09:48:02 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > switch your environment to UTF-8. So who's the idiot? > > You're not living in the real world. I beg to differ, see below. > There are also many bugs related to UTF-8, e.g.

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-28 09:48:02 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > switch your environment to UTF-8. So who's the idiot? You're not living in the real world. How can one switch the Zaurus to UTF-8? How can one swi

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-28 09:48:02 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > switch your environment to UTF-8. So who's the idiot? You're not living in the real world. How can one switch the Zaurus to UTF-8? How can one switch the environment to UTF-8 when UTF-8 locales have not been installed and the user isn't root and

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [27 Mar, @15:48 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager > > reverse_alias=yes is set. So this is why it displays the name wrong

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:14:30AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2008-03-27 11:21:15 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:00:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > > > The user isn't assumed to run under UTF-8. Th

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Derek Martin): {{{ On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:14:30AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2008-03-27 11:21:15 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:00:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2008-03-

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-27 11:21:15 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:00:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > > The user isn't assumed to run under UTF-8. The user is assumed to > > > run in a consistent environment in which the t

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-27 11:21:15 -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:00:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > > The user isn't assum

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Derek Martin): {{{ On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:00:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > The user isn't assumed to run under UTF-8. The user is assumed to > > run in a

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:00:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > The user isn't assumed to run under UTF-8. The user is assumed to > > run in a consistent environment in which the terminal, the file > > system, and local files share a sing

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Alain Bench): {{{ On Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 18:13:19 -, Miek Gieben wrote: > reverse_alias=yes is set. So this is why it displays the name wrong. > The entry in the alias file looks okay though... The full

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > The user isn't assumed to run under UTF-8. The user is assumed to > run in a consistent environment in which the terminal, the file > system, an

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-22 16:28:43 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > The user isn't assumed to run under UTF-8. The user is assumed to > run in a consistent environment in which the terminal, the file > system, and local files share a single character set which is > inferred from the user's locale settings. Th

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [26 Mar, @08:22 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager > > % export | grep -i lang > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > LANGUAGE=en_US:en

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [25 Mar, @02:21 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > Thanks Miek, Google groups gave me the original raw header: > > | From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mund

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Alain Bench): {{{ On Friday, March 21, 2008 at 6:56:26 -, Miek Gieben wrote: > the from address in de index is displayed as ?lafur Gu?mansson, and in > the body of the mail it is rendered okay (as it looks in the HTML

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Thomas Roessler): {{{ On 2008-03-21 16:46:51 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >> I frankly wouldn't bother adding code to mutt to work properly >> in another inconsistent specification edge case, where the user >> actually r

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-21 16:46:51 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >> I frankly wouldn't bother adding code to mutt to work properly >> in another inconsistent specification edge case, where the user >> actually runs several locales in parallel. > The problem occurs even when using only *one* locale. If the us

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-21 15:20:25 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > So, why don't you use utf-8 in terminals? Because not all software supports multibyte characters (in particular not too old versions of zsh). Al

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-21 15:20:25 +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > So, why don't you use utf-8 in terminals? Because not all software supports multibyte characters (in particular not too old versions of zsh). Also, almost all my files are in ISO-8859-1, so that using ISO-8859-1 is more practical (mainly for "

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Thomas Roessler): {{{ On 2008-03-21 15:12:41 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > BTW, it seems that Mutt mixes the locale charset and the editor > charset. This is also something bad. For instance, I use > ISO-8859-1 locales

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-21 15:12:41 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > BTW, it seems that Mutt mixes the locale charset and the editor > charset. This is also something bad. For instance, I use > ISO-8859-1 locales (in an ISO-8859-1 terminal) and want to reply > to a message written in UTF-8, with characters that

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-21 11:42:00 +0100, Alain Bench wrote: > The other is using locale_charset() from libcharset, libiconv, > gettext, or whatever, and should be portable to a whole lot of systems. > Christ

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-21 11:42:00 +0100, Alain Bench wrote: > The other is using locale_charset() from libcharset, libiconv, > gettext, or whatever, and should be portable to a whole lot of systems. > Christian tested it OK on MacOS-X. My codeset program does the following: #include #include #include

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Alain Bench): {{{ Hello Kyle, On Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 11:51:33 -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Thursday, March 20 at 03:47 PM, quoth Vincent Lefevre: >> set charset=`codeset 2> /dev/null || locale charmap`//TRANS

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

Hello Kyle, On Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 11:51:33 -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Thursday, March 20 at 03:47 PM, quoth Vincent Lefevre: >> set charset=`codeset 2> /dev/null || locale charmap`//TRANSLIT > it isn't particularly portable... While neither universally portable, there is a pai

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [20 Mar, @12:04 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > >| set assumed_charset=UTF-8 I've removed all these charset stuff from mutt, my terminal is UTF-8 capable (gnome-terminal), oth

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-20 11:51:33 -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Thursday, March 20 at 03:47 PM, quoth Vincent Lefevre: >> set charset=`codeset 2> /dev/null || locale charmap`//TRANSLIT > > Part of the problem

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-20 11:51:33 -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Thursday, March 20 at 03:47 PM, quoth Vincent Lefevre: >> set charset=`codeset 2> /dev/null || locale charmap`//TRANSLIT > > Part of the problem there is that it isn't particularly portable... A .muttrc file doesn't have to be portable. It jus

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Kyle Wheeler): {{{ On Thursday, March 20 at 03:47 PM, quoth Vincent Lefevre: >> Do not set $charset. There are very few good reasons for it. > > A good reason is to use transliteration! I didn't say there were *NO* good

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Thursday, March 20 at 03:47 PM, quoth Vincent Lefevre: Do not set $charset. There are very few good reasons for it. A good reason is to use transliteration! I didn't say there were *NO* good reasons. Transliteration is the only one I'm aware of, and even that has problems, as Alain pointe

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Vincent Lefevre): {{{ On 2008-03-18 16:05:37 -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Tuesday, March 18 at 08:42 PM, quoth Mutt: >> set assumed_charset=UTF-8 >> set charset=UTF-8//TRANSLIT > > Do not set $charset. There are very

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On 2008-03-18 16:05:37 -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Tuesday, March 18 at 08:42 PM, quoth Mutt: >> set assumed_charset=UTF-8 >> set charset=UTF-8//TRANSLIT > > Do not set $charset. There are very few good reasons for it. A good reason is to use transliteration! > There is *never* a good reason

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Alain Bench): {{{ Hello Miek, and thank you for the problem report. On Tuesday, March 18, 2008 at 20:42:11 -, Miek Gieben wrote: >| set assumed_charset=UTF-8 You .nl very probably don't want that: try cp1252 in

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [19 Mar, @16:53 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager > > Comment (by brendan): > > Are you using gmail IMAP by any chance

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by brendan): Are you using gmail IMAP by any chance? The gmail IMAP server has a bug which produces these symptoms in mutt. See #2997 for more info. -- Ticket URL:

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [19 Mar, @00:49 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager > > > So I would still consider this a bug in mutt... > > There is

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Kyle Wheeler): {{{ On Tuesday, March 18 at 09:21 PM, quoth Mutt: >> It's possible that your name is being mis-encoded in email, and so >> it is taking various paths through mutt on the way to being >> displayed based on wh

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Tuesday, March 18 at 09:21 PM, quoth Mutt: It's possible that your name is being mis-encoded in email, and so it is taking various paths through mutt on the way to being displayed based on whether mutt notices the problem or not. The content type of the email showing this problem is set to

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Miek Gieben): {{{ [18 Mar, @22:05 CET, Mutt wrote in "Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset diff ..."] > #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager > > > set assumed_charset=UTF-8 > > set charset=UTF-8//TRANSLIT >

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager Comment (by Kyle Wheeler): {{{ On Tuesday, March 18 at 08:42 PM, quoth Mutt: > set assumed_charset=UTF-8 > set charset=UTF-8//TRANSLIT Do not set $charset. There are very few good reasons for it. There is *never* a good reason to u

Re: [Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and

On Tuesday, March 18 at 08:42 PM, quoth Mutt: set assumed_charset=UTF-8 set charset=UTF-8//TRANSLIT Do not set $charset. There are very few good reasons for it. There is *never* a good reason to use UTF-8 and //TRANSLIT at the same time. Suppose my name (Miek Gieben) would contain some high

[Mutt] #3040: charset difference between index browser and pager

#3040: charset difference between index browser and pager I'm using the following setting in muttrc: set assumed_charset=UTF-8 set charset=UTF-8//TRANSLIT My index_format is: index_format="%4C %Z %(%b %d (%H:%M)) %-18.18n [%10.10B] (%3.3c) %?H? [%H] ? %.60s" Suppose my name (Miek Gieben