Message-ID / Mutt's way to get the FQDN

2013-10-07 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:22:24PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:56:13AM +0300, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > In my opinion `hostname` in the kernel is just > > a hint. > > Well, I mean seriously, if you're going to tell > me tha

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-07 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 02:19:11PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 12:01:05PM -0700, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > You have several hostnames or A records or > > domain names or whatever. Then you have > > `hostname`, which is configured in kernel, at

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-07 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 02:15:02PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > The patch is ideal, where the ideal which it > conforms to must be that it programmatically > determines the domain of the machine correctly > in all circumstances where that is possible, and > NEVER produces a result which is invalid

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-06 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:20:15AM -0700, Alexander Gattin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:15:26PM -0500, Derek > Martin wrote: > > parsing /etc/resolv.conf directly can be wrong, No solution is ideal here. You've added a lot of comments to trac ticket 3298. There'

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-06 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:30:09PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > > My system has several IP addresses and several > > hostnames (depending on interface/network). > > Wrong, it has exactly one hostname, as does > every TCP/IP-networked host. It may have > several domain names corresponding to the

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-06 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:15:26PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:01:20AM -0700, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:06:35PM -0500, Derek > > Martin wrote: > > On the other hand, your patch breaks some of > > setups th

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-06 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 01:06:35PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > Even if the patch was complete garbage, the > point is there was never any discussion from the > devs as to WHY. It was completely ignored for > three and a half years. Yes, ignoring your patch because of technical/stylistic problems

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-04 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 07:53:11PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > I use / ~b for searching in IMAP > > folder. Newer IMAP versions support > > server-side searching but AFAIK mutt doesn't > > s

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-04 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 11:16:19PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > What, you want a counter example? Yes, > http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/3298 This one is a miss. > - Had a working patch 4 years ago. I don't like some parts of your original patch too, by the way. mutt is not an MTA but MUA

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 02:46:07AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > I use / ~b for searching in IMAP folder. > > Yeah, but what if you have 50 folders, and you > don't know which one the message

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-03 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:03:44AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 12:04:46PM +0300, > Alexander Gattin wrote: > > The "old" design you talk about comes from UNIX > > concepts which power all the iThings, Androids and > > Kindles you mo

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-02 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 03:58:25AM -0500, David Champion wrote: > Lacking a regular contibutor who expresses > interest in joining the leadership team, it's > premature to discuss a handoff of project > leadership. That pretty much closes the discussion ATM. -- With best regards, xrgtn signatu

Re: The future of mutt...

2013-10-02 Thread Alexander Gattin
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 10:12:14PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: > and has been for a very long time now. And THAT > completely ignores the idea that Mutt's design > is over 15 years old, and its design philosophy > is much, much older. Mutt, and its user base > (or at least a substantial segment of

Re: embedded Perl vs Python vs Lua vs Tcl

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Gattin
Hello, On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 06:57:46PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote: > Python has regex too of course, and it's only > slightly harder to use than Perl's. Python regexps are more cumbersome to use than Perl's. For example, to check that pattern matches and 1st group modulo 3 is 0: > print "$1 ==