Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread nite
I think Martin hit the nail on the head here (on another thread from this discussion) - in my world, mono simply isn't even on the radar as a competitor to java (on the server side). Microsoft lost a battle in my industry a long time ago for kudos, and while they accept it's cool for UI, wont consi

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Martin Thwaites
My opinion on why big businesses don't want to run their applications on mono is more or less exactly the reasons you suggest Aaron. I'm specifically talking about ASP.NET type stuff not desktop as desktop really depends on your user base, where as web servers don't matter to the end user. Person

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Aaron Oneal
Hi, interesting discussion you started there. :-) - Which OSS license would you like to see? - Can you elaborate on how the community and Microsoft would benefit from a more permissive .NET license? - In what way would Microsoft benefit from a .NET branded Linux port? You mention it would help

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Mike Christensen
Ah so it's more of a license issue than "releasing the source" issue. Yea, I seriously doubt that will ever happen. But who knows.. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Andrew Clancy wrote: > That's not open source, that's readable source, you can't fork it or use > it, nor merge it with mono & h

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Ian Norton
Some are pretty big :) we've got some chunky mono stuff on the way. On 6 Sep 2013 18:20, "Andrew Clancy" wrote: > That's not open source, that's readable source, you can't fork it or use > it, nor merge it with mono & have an official .net framework for linux etc. > My thoughts are, if we did hav

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Mike Christensen
I'm pretty sure it already is.. http://referencesource.microsoft.com/netframework.aspx On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:33 PM, nite wrote: > Has the case ever been made to Microsoft to open source all of .net? It's > heading that way, now even the asp.net stack is open. Not much to lose, as > it isn'

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Jonathan Lima
When I said about WPF I was talking about the entire stack(except DirectX, ofcourse). Thats includes cormedia source which we would abstract and port to other platforms. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, "Andrés G. Aragoneses" wrote: > > opensource != crossplatform > > > Do you think WPF internals

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Andrés G. Aragoneses
opensource != crossplatform Do you think WPF internals are just managed code? On 06/09/13 19:37, Jonathan Lima wrote: There is no reason to use Microsoft code of the BCL. One of the best libraries that could be open sourced is WPF, there isn't any UI framework that works better or that is ea

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Andrew Clancy
That's not open source, that's readable source, you can't fork it or use it, nor merge it with mono & have an official .net framework for linux etc. My thoughts are, if we did have this there'd be more appetite/scope to implement in .net in corporates and environments where linux and/or java rule.

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Jonathan Lima
There is no reason to use Microsoft code of the BCL. One of the best libraries that could be open sourced is WPF, there isn't any UI framework that works better or that is easier to use than WPF. And with WPF open source, .Net UI could be really cross-platform without needing any modifications. O

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread Martin Thwaites
There is a specific exclusion in the EULA that says you can't use it port it to a "Non-Windows" operating system. I think there will always be a slight issue with a "Cross Platform" .NET as there are too many things that have hook-ins to specific MS Technologies outside of .NET. I agree though, o

Re: [Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread nite
I've heard second hand from someone high up in dev div that '.net is looking for a new home', it makes a lot of sense really, I'm just digging ;) On 6 Sep 2013 18:25, "Mike Christensen-2 [via Mono]" < ml-node+s1490590n4660808...@n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Ah so it's more of a license issue than "rele

Re: [Mono-list] Embedded API: calling explicit operators

2013-09-06 Thread Mitchell Jonathan
On 5 Sep 2013, at 00:01, Robert Jordan wrote: > > Assuming that you're using mono_method_desc_search_in_class () for > method look-ups, there is actually no way to specify the return > type. You may want to enumerate the methods yourself using > mono_class_get_methods (). > mono_method_desc_sear

[Mono-list] open sourcing all of Microsoft .net

2013-09-06 Thread nite
Has the case ever been made to Microsoft to open source all of .net? It's heading that way, now even the asp.net stack is open. Not much to lose, as it isn't part of their core business, and still not part of their core windows stack. Loads to gain, massive kudos from the dev community and the chan

Re: [Mono-list] Embedded API method signatures

2013-09-06 Thread Robert Jordan
Jonathan, On 05.09.2013 21:38, jonat...@mugginsoft.com wrote: In Obj-C -> embedded API I invoke a method like so: MonoObject *monoObject = [self invokeMonoMethod:"Sum(long[])" withNumArgs:1, [p1 monoValue]]; The following however fails to find the specified method: MonoObject *monoObject = [s