Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread James E Keenan
David Golden wrote: I want to endorse imacat on her contributions. She runs one of the best smoke testers on cpan-testers: it's really strict and seems to catch lots of people out on subtle dependency problems. She's also been very responsive to questions I've had about failed test report

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Ken Williams
On Aug 24, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Maybe it would be a good idea to spend some TPF (or whatever) grants on giving bounties for resuming maintenance of several critically unmaintained CPAN modules? With their authors' permissions, of course. In that case, I think I'll abandon

Re: Smoke (was Re: Give up your modules!)

2006-08-24 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 24 Aug 2006, at 16:05, imacat wrote: Hope this helps. Please tell me if you need any more information. That's great, thanks - I'll give it a try. -- Andy Armstrong, hexten.net

Re: Smoke (was Re: Give up your modules!)

2006-08-24 Thread imacat
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:05:34 +0100 Andy Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24 Aug 2006, at 13:59, David Golden wrote: > What specifically is imacat doing that makes her an example of best > practice and how may others do something similar? This may be off-topic. I do not know what is

Re: Smoke (was Re: Give up your modules!)

2006-08-24 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 24 Aug 2006, at 14:13, David Golden wrote: She would have to answer that definitively, but from what I can tell, it looks like she might be using an isolated, fresh perl installation (that isn't even in the $PATH) that gets reset after each smoke. From test reports I've seen, it looks li

Re: Smoke (was Re: Give up your modules!)

2006-08-24 Thread David Golden
Andy Armstrong wrote: What specifically is imacat doing that makes her an example of best practice and how may others do something similar? She would have to answer that definitively, but from what I can tell, it looks like she might be using an isolated, fresh perl installation (that isn't e

Smoke (was Re: Give up your modules!)

2006-08-24 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 24 Aug 2006, at 13:59, David Golden wrote: I want to endorse imacat on her contributions. She runs one of the best smoke testers on cpan-testers: it's really strict and seems to catch lots of people out on subtle dependency problems. She's also been very responsive to questions I've had

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thursday 24 August 2006 15:43, Dana Hudes wrote: > Just because I haven't had time to update Net::Whois in years doesn't > mean I haven't got plans or indeed scraps of code. It actually is an > interesting case because its really a wrapper around external service > which refuses to standardize (

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread David Golden
imacat wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:46:33 +0100 Oh I see. You may not know me. I personally have submit numerous patches, bug reports, tests reports, debug reports to numerous packages, perl modules or not. You may not know how much time I have spent on submitting patches and bug reports

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Dana Hudes
Just because I haven't had time to update Net::Whois in years doesn't mean I haven't got plans or indeed scraps of code. It actually is an interesting case because its really a wrapper around external service which refuses to standardize (despite efforts toward that) and changes willy-nilly. It

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Ken Williams
On Aug 24, 2006, at 4:31 AM, Ovid wrote: - Original Message From: Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Having a "name and shame" mentality about this is IMO wrong. I hope you're not saying I suggested that. I did not name anyone. I didn't ask for a list of modules whose authors we

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 24 Aug 2006, at 08:33, Andreas J. Koenig wrote: That's what the DSLIP status already knows as S (Support Level): a (abandoned) I guess the problem is that there's not a pervasive culture of people setting their modules to abandoned when they decide to abandon them. I imagine that a lot

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:46:56PM +0800, imacat wrote: > Oh I see. You may not know me. I personally have submit numerous > patches, bug reports, tests reports, debug reports to numerous packages, > perl modules or not. You may not know how much time I have spent on > submitting patches an

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 24 Aug 2006, at 08:09, Johan Vromans wrote: Maybe it is just a little thing, but it might be a small step forward: how about adding a CPAN flag indicating the author has given up interest in maintaining a specific module? This makes it easy for an author to formally give up a module, without h

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread imacat
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:46:33 +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 06:52:26PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > I'm not a skilled C/XS programmer, or I would consider taking over > > them. Can anybody have advice on this issue? > The author made these modules availab

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Ovid
- Original Message From: Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Having a "name and shame" mentality about this is IMO wrong. I hope you're not saying I suggested that. I did not name anyone. I didn't ask for a list of modules whose authors we should hunt down. I only asked for those auth

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:41:31 +0200, Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas J. Koenig) writes: >> That's what the DSLIP status already knows as >> >> S (Support Level): a (abandoned) > Yes, but instead of "abandoned" I was thinking of "scheduled t

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 03:16:22PM +0800, imacat wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:28:13 +0100 > Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 06:52:26PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > > But this ain't right. Crypt-Cracklib is critical to security and > > > user management, Cry

Write a Web-CPAN Patch - Get an Ozy and Millie T-Shirt

2006-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
See: http://community.livejournal.com/perl/126545.html for a special offer of the Web-CPAN.berlios.de project to get an "Ozy and Millie" T-Shirt in exchange for code contributions. So fire up your text editor and start writing some code! Regards, Shlomi Fish -

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Johan Vromans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas J. Koenig) writes: > That's what the DSLIP status already knows as > > S (Support Level): a (abandoned) Yes, but instead of "abandoned" I was thinking of "scheduled to be abandoned", where the original DSLIP flag still has value. Maybe this is a bit too much of fine-tu

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Andreas J. Koenig
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:09:55 +0200, Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: >> That said, there ought to be a way for the community to move forward >> without having the original author be the bottleneck. > Maybe it is just a little thing, but it might be a small step forward:

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread imacat
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:28:13 +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 06:52:26PM +0800, imacat wrote: > > But this ain't right. Crypt-Cracklib is critical to security and > > user management, Crypt-Rijndael is the current US governmental standard > > encryption

Re: Give up your modules!

2006-08-24 Thread Johan Vromans
Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The fact that they made their contribution in the first place, and > people found it useful, seems like it should be honored rather than > vilified. I agree fully. > That said, there ought to be a way for the community to move forward > without having t