Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-23 Thread Octavian Râsnita
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote: One of our customers is doing a detailed review of a mason/modperl ERP app we've built for them since 2001. Prodded by some buzzword-compliant consultants they are expressing concerns that the app's underlying technologies - perl,

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-23 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "David Ihnen" The new version of perl in the works is going to change that. I fully expect perl to become far more interesting to the programming community with that upgrade. Perl will move from the old one to the latest one, and then it WILL be a buzzword again. Least, thats what I

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-23 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Byrne Reese" It amazes me that this entire thread neglects to mention PHP. Granted, it started with a discussion about web frameworks, for which PHP does not have a strong footing, unless of course you count Drupal and Wordpress and the like among such "frameworks." But still, PHP canno

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-23 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Byrne Reese" The problem is that there are no very many big sites that use perl either. I knew that Amazon used Perl, than tried to use Java, than... I don't know what they use now. Google uses Python, Yahoo uses PHP, Microsoft probably uses DotNet and Sun probably uses Java. I will

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-23 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Alexandr Ciornii" Hi. It possible to encrypt perl sources with same safety as with PHP - with possibility of source decryption. But Perl developers are in general more advanced than PHP developers so they know how to decrypt it, in contrast to PHP developers that do not know that encrypt

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-23 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Perrin Harkins" The original poster asked for help winning a contract that he wants to use Perl for. So far, you're not contributing. - Perrin I presented more advantages of perl, in one of my previous message so I contributed, but I don't like to hear that Perl is everywhere and hear

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-25 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Joel Bernstein" On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:18, Octavian Râsnita wrote: Can I encrypt some .pm modules in such a way that they couldn't be decrypted easier than the PHP files encrypted by Zend Encoder? If yes, please tell us how, because it would be a really important informati

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-26 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: Rolf Banting Foo JH wrote: > In the academia the general directive in choosing a language would be > something to this effect: > 1. teach modern language concepts, such as OO > 2. minimise the learning curve by way of something easy to teach, easy > to learn without having to fig

Re: [m_p] Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-26 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Walter Pienciak" I usually lurk on this list, but I could not disagree more with this assertion that perl is somehow harder to learn. This might be because you are thinking to the american or western european market. But think about those many programmers that don't know english, and do

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-26 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: Rolf Banting > Functions are first class citizens in Perl - so you get functional programming built in. You don't in Java. Even the newer perl modules on cpan started to use OOP, and I guess this is because OOP is better, even though under perl it usually makes the programs run slowe

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-26 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Joel Bernstein" - It is the most easy to learn language even by the most stupid programmers. I'd rather it were optimised for competent programmers. Sorry, I just don't see the value here. Stupid programmers are part of the problem. I don't understand. What is the problem? That perl

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-27 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Joe Schaefer" Comparative analysis of programming languages has nothing whatsoever to do with modperl, or even anything to do with the real needs of this community of users. It's simply an exercise in argumentation based on personal experience alone by people who have absolutely no kno

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-27 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Joe Schaefer" The original message that started this thread was: """ > One of our customers is doing a detailed review of a mason/modperl ERP > app we've built for them since 2001. Prodded by some > buzzword-compliant consultants they are expressing concerns that the > app's underlyi

Re: decline and fall of modperl?

2009-03-27 Thread Octavian Râsnita
From: "Joe Schaefer" A contribution to a *community* would be to offer gratis advice on a mailing list, ostensibly to help the community reach its objectives. Nothing I see in this thread looks like a contribution to the mod_perl community, sorry. The mod_perl community is also made of those w