Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread James G Smith
Chris Shiflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--- James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> PHPUnit is available, first release was April, 2002. First >> production release was mid-March, 2004. > >I didn't say this stuff was old or mature, just that it exists. :-) Truly, >PHP feels like it is just

[OT] Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread modperl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm not sure I understand how XHTML can replace TT, H::T, or Mason. > Could you provide an example? My understanding is that XHTML is just > an XML-ized version of HTML, so it retains all the form controls from > HTML; an tag in HTML is just an element in XHTML. > He

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread Eric
Hi, This is a very good example of why it is pointless to get into, Perl can do this and PHP can't. The fact is, much of that is crap if you dig enough. Just like saying C can do something Perl can't, big deal, Perl can use the C code and move on. The reason I avoid PHP in particular for big a

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread Chris Shiflett
--- James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PHPUnit is available, first release was April, 2002. First > production release was mid-March, 2004. I didn't say this stuff was old or mature, just that it exists. :-) Truly, PHP feels like it is just now reaching the maturity level that Perl enjoye

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread James G Smith
Rafael Caceres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 13:58, James G Smith wrote: >> Chris Shiflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Not to discourage any PHP bashing (I'll often join in), but a few things >> >on your list aren't really that accurate: >> > >> >--- James G Smith <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread Rafael Caceres
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 13:58, James G Smith wrote: > Chris Shiflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Not to discourage any PHP bashing (I'll often join in), but a few things > >on your list aren't really that accurate: > > > >--- James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> o No support for testing

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread James G Smith
Chris Shiflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Not to discourage any PHP bashing (I'll often join in), but a few things >on your list aren't really that accurate: > >--- James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> o No support for testing >> o No support for documentation >> o No way to declare v

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread Chris Shiflett
Not to discourage any PHP bashing (I'll often join in), but a few things on your list aren't really that accurate: --- James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > o No support for testing > o No support for documentation > o No way to declare variables / manage typos PHP has these particular

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread James G Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> For many applications, you are correct. However, some situations >> require support of the most basic systems. >> >> Part of the problem with XHTML is that it is a page description >> language instead of a se

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread modperl
James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For many applications, you are correct. However, some situations > require support of the most basic systems. > > Part of the problem with XHTML is that it is a page description > language instead of a semantic markup language. We need

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread James G Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >This is also what I am trying to suggest. Back to your other post >yesterday, I may propose that you go directly to the XHTML and use >libXML to parse data into it. The modern browsers (the latest IE and >Mozilla) themselves understant XSLT tranlation and so even this pa

Re: Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread modperl
James G Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > The conclusion seems to be that PHP is nice for small systems and > applications, but for larger, more complex projects, mod_perl is the > only one of the two that can compete with the expectations coming > from the Java side (which, as much as w

Why I use mod_perl (PR stuff)

2004-06-09 Thread James G Smith
While we're talking about mod_perl, perhaps I can throw out a few reasons why I have chosen it over other languages and technologies. This might help us figure out where we need to do some intial PR work. We currently have our account management code using PHP (this is for about 100k accounts). W