Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

Sorry, it's an accident to reply to the list. Harry - Original Message - From: "Harry Zhu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "mod_perl List" Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [OT] modperl

Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

- Original Message - From: "Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mod_perl List" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby there's been a popular link critiquing rails floating around http://discuss.joelonsoftware.

Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

Hi Enno Funnily enough I'm doing the exact same thing ... I thought I already had a lot of perl modules, but this beats everything. I know it's a bit of an apples and oranges thing, but can anyone give an idea of the size of mod_perl processes that are actually using catalyst? I currently run

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Todd Cranston-Cuebas wrote: > Very cool. R-on-R has something similar to this called "locomotive" for OS > X. Really makes a try-before-you-buy scenario reasonable. I'm thrilled that > this exists for catalyst since I very much concerned that perl needs a boost > from such a framework and if there

RE: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

bling blocks to testing out the framework, you're going to lose people. Cool and thanks. Todd > -Original Message- > From: Christopher H. Laco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:23 AM > To: Harry Zhu > Cc: Enno; modperl@perl.apache.org &

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EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby > > >> Just starting to look at Catalyst, cause we have to rewrite a lot of >> stuff here. So far I'm just installing and the incredible amount of >> de

Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

I'm very much interested. Harry. - Original Message - From: "Enno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Frank Wiles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Leo Lapworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1

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Just starting to look at Catalyst, cause we have to rewrite a lot of stuff here. So far I'm just installing and the incredible amount of dependencies there are, are scaring the hell out of me (think huge processes). It looks like its including an immense load of pure perl modules for functionality

Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:08:56 + Leo Lapworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 Feb 2006, at 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Good conversations... > > > > One question that I keep asking myself about RAD frameworks like > > Catalyst is yeah, they're nice to develop a quick solution but

Re: [OT] modperl vs. Ruby

On 26 Feb 2006, at 20:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good conversations... One question that I keep asking myself about RAD frameworks like Catalyst is yeah, they're nice to develop a quick solution but how well do they scale? In particular, I'd like to use Catalyst but I haven't seen much

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Good conversations... One question that I keep asking myself about RAD frameworks like Catalyst is yeah, they're nice to develop a quick solution but how well do they scale? In particular, I'd like to use Catalyst but I haven't seen much traffic about large application success stories... _

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Good afternoon, On 25/2/06 at 5:18 PM -0500, Todd Grimason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >True enough, but sometimes that "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody >hears it..." saying comes into play. I'd even guess Catalyst picked up >users from the Rails hype(? yes? no?) Yes (I think). I was ser

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there's been a popular link critiquing rails floating around http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.3 personally, I hate rails. i'm seeing a lot of colleagues adopt it, with a combination of this reasoning: it 'sucks less than php'( from someone

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 05:23:24PM -0500, Mark Galbreath wrote: > which then begs the question, why RoR and not Catalyst? Better marketing, basically. Also the attraction of something new, written in a language about which people have written a lot of new things, and which hasn't attracted the neg

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which then begs the question, why RoR and not Catalyst?   mark>>> Randal L. Schwartz 25-Feb-06 09:28:19 AM >>> > "Daniel" == Daniel McBrearty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:Daniel> I think catalyst was modeled closely on ROR.Heh.  Catalyst was in production long before RoR was even being discuss

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* Randal L. Schwartz [2006-02-25 09:30]: > > Daniel> I think catalyst was modeled closely on ROR. > > Heh. Catalyst was in production long before RoR was even being discussed. > > Let's not accuse the Perl community of playing catchup. The Perl > folks are the leaders here. True enough, but s

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"Let's not accuse the Perl community of playing catchup ..."I don't see things that way anyway. People always take good ideas from other places and reuse them, and it's always been so. On 25 Feb 2006 06:28:19 -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > "Daniel" == Daniel McBreart

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> "Daniel" == Daniel McBrearty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel> I think catalyst was modeled closely on ROR. Heh. Catalyst was in production long before RoR was even being discussed. Let's not accuse the Perl community of playing catchup. The Perl folks are the leaders here. -- Randal

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I think catalyst was modeled closely on ROR. ROR is quite nice if a substantial part of what you wnat is CRUD based on db schema. Also the AJAX tools look good. But i18n  support is not looking too solid, though it may improve. This seems to be a problem with most frameworks though, and because

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> "Ryan" == Ryan Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ryan> Ruby is cool because of it integration with javascript. But Ruby Ryan> developers have told me that it doesn't scale well and you're better off Ryan> with a different framework like HTML::Mason if you need something Ryan> serious. Cata

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Ruby is cool because of it integration with javascript. But Ruby developers have told me that it doesn't scale well and you're better off with a different framework like HTML::Mason if you need something serious. I use Mason, if you're looking for JS integration you can either make compon

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On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Alan Bailward wrote: It probably really comes down to personal preference and familiarity FWIW. And marketing.

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Well, I only recently saw the top screencast on http://rubyonrails.org/screencasts (the blog in 58 lines of code thing) and was pretty impressed. The built in console, what appears to be really easy to use stuff (I'm a perl guy not a ruby guy so the ruby code looks pretty complex to me... ). Thou

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Better yet, ask your boss why s/he wants to use RoR.  If it is more than "because it's cool," enlighten us as well.   mark>>> "Harry Zhu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24-Feb-06 13:15:43 PM >>> Can some body worked/studied on both world tell me the pros and cons about these two?   Our system was built on

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Ruby on Rails is a MVC framework that runs on apache / its own server / lighty + fcgi ModPerl is perl embedded in an apache process They're not comparable. You want to comapre ruby with a (mvc) framework like Cataylst Mason Template Toolkit Embperl that runs

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:15:43 -0600 "Harry Zhu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can some body worked/studied on both world tell me the pros and cons > about these two? > > Our system was built on modperl, but the new boss intended to rebuilt > it on Ruby on Rail. How do we argue about it that perl/mo

[OT] modperl vs. Ruby

Can some body worked/studied on both world tell me the pros and cons about these two?   Our system was built on modperl, but the new boss intended to rebuilt it on Ruby on Rail. How do we argue about it that perl/modperl have almost all the features that Ruby has and more?     Harry Zhu