Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
I have a v4.0.0 beta for sealed.pm that I expect will be fully operational with mod_perl+ithreads now, but I will let it soak for a week to see what happens in prod. On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 3:30 PM Joe Schaefer wrote: > You're welcome. Pardon my rudeness, but you will understand when I tell > y

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
You're welcome. Pardon my rudeness, but you will understand when I tell you that I developed sealed.pm after proving ithreads are solid on Solaris over 2 years ago, and communicated with the Perl5 community on FB and LI about the same thing I did here last week. There is considerable racism and d

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Edward J. Sabol
On Aug 26, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > AFAICT you guys are just too lazy to look. That came across as rude, Joe. Not all of us are experts at Perl internals or track the latest changes to Perl's ithread support and/or glibc, and it's generally been accepted in the mod_perl community

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
LOL IF YOU THINK THE WAIT FOR ITHREAD SUPPORT WAS A LONG TIME COMING. https://github.com/majorz/apache2-rs/tree/master/src On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 2:36 PM John D Groenveld wrote: > In message < > cafqgv+yb4bo3k4_hryccyj7ljsnejrh9hwyjw+9172ybc+q...@mail.gmail.com> > , Joe Schaefer writes: > >The

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
All of the zero-copy design elements of httpd are expanded on within mod_perl in an ithread context. All of those performance optimizations are lost when you bury them behind a mod_proxy gateway to your application server running prefork. Moreover, your scaling model for your application server is

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread John D Groenveld
In message , Joe Schaefer writes: >The entire collective engineering effort for mod_perl and mod_apreq was to >ensure our code was thread-safe, both from an httpd context and a Perl one. >We achieved that twenty years ago, but have been stuck dealing with the >fact that ithread engineering within

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
The entire collective engineering effort for mod_perl and mod_apreq was to ensure our code was thread-safe, both from an httpd context and a Perl one. We achieved that twenty years ago, but have been stuck dealing with the fact that ithread engineering within Perl5 itself had a ways to go. What I'

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
Why are you still paying attention to mod_perl development, if you don't even care to use it to full effect? Running a 2-tiered webserver architecture is anathema to mod_perl. It's not distinguishable from any other fastcgi thingy out there. On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 1:46 PM John D Groenveld wrot

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread John D Groenveld
In message , Joe Schaefer writes: >Lazy enough never to support HTTP/2? If HTTP/2 becomes necessary, my lazy first answer is to enable it in my mod_proxy front end. John groenv...@acm.org

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
There isn't anything else on the market that will ever touch mod_perl + mpm_event in terms of HTTP/2 performance. And you don't need to ever spin up more ithreads than you have vCPU cores. On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 1:36 PM Joe Schaefer wrote: > Lazy enough never to support HTTP/2? > > On Fri, Aug

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
Lazy enough never to support HTTP/2? On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 1:32 PM John D Groenveld wrote: > In message < > cafqgv+btwpyvvup2ewzfn7ruv4sfgdihadh48cm3n8qxpwb...@mail.gmail.com> > , Joe Schaefer writes: > >AFAICT you guys are just too lazy to look. Running latest on CPAN with an > > Correct. > m

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread John D Groenveld
In message , Joe Schaefer writes: >AFAICT you guys are just too lazy to look. Running latest on CPAN with an Correct. mod_perl's make test mostly passes and does not core with mpm_event under OmniOS/illumos, FreeBSD, and Void Linux with Musl, but I haven't tested my applications because I am lazy

Re: Experience running mod_perl2 with mpm_event on Solaris 11

2022-08-26 Thread Joe Schaefer
AFAICT you guys are just too lazy to look. Running latest on CPAN with an Ubuntu 22.04 stock httpd and the thing just cranks out the hits. (Not with sealed.pm tho, it will leak scalars and cause crashes with mod_perl and mpm_event). If anybody is to thank for this, thank SawyerX for his Pumpking w