Default software in the base

2013-07-29 Thread hub
Hello @misc, I am yet another interested in provided OpenBSD defaults. More specifically the XTerm and GCC. Apparently there are better alternatives like: URXVT * The code base is half the size of XTerm's * Consumes 25% less memory * Can be daemonized * Much better handling of different fonts an

Re: Default software in the base

2013-07-29 Thread hub
> both of which are more or less crappy xterm (not vt100, not vt220) emulators The fact that they consume less, work faster, have clean and actually readable code which you can hack through without symptoms of nausea -- all these make tham crappier than the xterm?! All the cars in the world more

Re: Default software in the base

2013-07-29 Thread hub
Theo, I do NOT even try to "recommend" you or any other OpenBSD devs or actually anyone reading this mail the one true way of solving the problems. Don't do any advocacy, even though it may look like that I do. And of course you are perfectly right that there are no diffs in mail. The sole pupr

Re: Default software in the base

2013-07-30 Thread hub
Thanks for your answer, Zoran. Apparently it's true that everyone will want their own set of prefered applications, especially when it comes to something like a web browser. And as for me, I didn't like neither surf, nor luakit, nor conkeror as well. But after all, I think it's been pointed rig

Re: Default software in the base

2013-07-31 Thread hub
Martin Schröder wrote: > 2013/7/30 : > > than the Apple+Google co-owned Clang stuff. > > Source for that claim? All I can find is > > Copyright (c) 2007-2013 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. > http://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project/cfe/trunk/LICENSE.TXT?revision=171342&view=markup > > Be

Re: Default software in the base

2013-07-31 Thread hub
Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2013-07-29, h...@riseup.net wrote: > > URXVT > > * The code base is half the size of XTerm's > > given that you have to include things like glib, gettext and iconv in this, > somehow I doubt this... > > $ pkg_info -S rxvt-unicode > Information for inst:rxvt-unicode-9

Re: Default software in the base

2013-07-31 Thread hub
> The 4014 support is much more uncommon, but I do actually use it > occasionally[1]. > > The real issue is that people now expect X to come with xterm and that's > that. Removing xterm would be quite unfortunate, as it breaks people's > expectations of how the system works. Okay, jeez... I think

Re: Compilers in OpenBSD

2013-07-31 Thread hub
Finally. Someone who's really smart Explained Everything in a solid bug-free english text (shame on me). > And if/when such a switch happens, bugs will trigger and problems will > need fixing; and we can not risk being naive enough to expect llvm > developers to handle bug reports and bugfix rele

Re: Compilers in OpenBSD

2013-08-01 Thread hub
> Well, I think you get the point Certainly I do, but this leaves everything but gcc overboard as pcc project is too small to scale so widely on all the architectures OpenBSD supports. The same applies to Clang - it's been thought mainly as a commercial replacement for gcc for titanics like App

Re: Default software in the base

2013-08-01 Thread hub
> when st or a similarly small project passes a test for vim, emacs, > mutt, other popular ncurses clients, then it's worth thinking about > replacing xterm Here we go. A bunch of screenshots depicting st runinng multimple curses applications including (but not limited) vim, htop, alsamixer, utf8

Re: Default software in the base

2013-08-01 Thread hub
Almost forgot to say about this vttest thing. Um, you do realize that it's been written by the author of XTerm? And how it is XTerm-specific? St aside, as for urxvt - I have never seen an application refusing to run through it. Not even something like "compatible" mode run where rxvt simply pret

Re: Unified BSD?

2012-11-16 Thread Hub- FreeBSD
Actually, according to what we are tracking at http://bsdstats.org, there are currently *8*: PC-BSD FreeBSD PYC-BSD (aka Rus-BSD) DesktopBSD OpenBSD NetBSD DragonflyBSD MidnightBSD On 2012-11-16, at 12:30 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > On 11/13/12 2:45 AM, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: >> On Tue,

Re: Unified BSD?

2012-11-16 Thread Hub- FreeBSD
On 2012-11-16, at 6:42 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:52:48 +0100 > Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> On 2012-11-16 12:48, Tomas Bodzar wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Hub- FreeBSD >>> wrote: >>>>

Re: Unified BSD?

2012-11-16 Thread Hub- FreeBSD
On 2012-11-16, at 5:52 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2012-11-16 12:48, Tomas Bodzar wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Hub- FreeBSD wrote: >>> >>> Actually, according to what we are tracking at http://bsdstats.org, there >>> are currently *8*: