Re: viewing non-Youtube embedded video

Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: Let's consider all the critiques of embedded flash to be made. After all, they have been. The mplayer plug-in with HQTube works quite well on Youtube, I'll grant, but most of the video that interests me is news related stuff that I find on other sites. Mplayerplug-in +

Azalia and ac3

I've just gotten a new setup with azalia Can I output ac3 with something like mplayer to spdif and then decode it externally? Or even better, decode it internally and output the channels? OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENERIC.MP) #351: Mon Dec 14 00:42:17 MST 2009 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/s

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 01:03:28PM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: I've just gotten a new setup with azalia Can I output ac3 with something like mplayer to spdif and then decode it externally? Or even better, decode it internally and output the channels? yo

Re: New user trying to plan for upgrade

David Shuman wrote: It appears there are issues and processes that require the maintenance of config files and the like after an upgrade of OpenBSD. As I am relatively new to this process I intend to create two directories in my home directory to keep copies of all my alterations to OpenBSD.

Disk errors

Should I consider these errors as a disk problem or controller problem? I am backing up and moving all the files off first and then I will move disk to second computer and run badblocks on it. These errors have shown up with every boot softraid0 at root root on wd0a swap on wd0b dump on wd0b

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:43:02AM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 07:46:20AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Now how do I get these channels out? I find the mixerctl output for this one, rather confusing read azalia(4). you should

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: The direction part is clear except for the input-vr0, input-vr50, input-vr80. For what reason would I pick each of these? Is this used to reduce excessively loud inputs? to be able to use common consumer microphones, you usually need to have it's jack/pin set for 50% or

Re: How often packages are recompile when lib changes

Daniel Ouellet wrote: Hi, Just a quick question to know how often the current packages are recompile when there is a lib increase or if they are not unless the packages itself get an update too. Just wonder as I install current December 4, and install current package as well if MySQL no pro

Re: How often packages are recompile when lib changes

Daniel Ouellet wrote: Chris Bennett wrote: Daniel Ouellet wrote: Hi, Just a quick question to know how often the current packages are recompile when there is a lib increase or if they are not unless the packages itself get an update too. Just wonder as I install current December 4, and

Re: Disk errors

Chris Bennett wrote: Should I consider these errors as a disk problem or controller problem? I am backing up and moving all the files off first and then I will move disk to second computer and run badblocks on it. These errors have shown up with every boot softraid0 at root root on wd0a

Re: Disk errors

Daniel Ouellet wrote: I can get a large SATA disk pretty cheap, but this board doesn't accept SATA. Anyone have any thoughts on whether I should just pay more for a smaller PATA or get the SATA. If I get the SATA, I will need to buy either a SATA pci card or get a SATA to IDE adapter. Are

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 06:57:35PM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: The direction part is clear except for the input-vr0, input-vr50, input-vr80. For what reason would I pick each of these? Is this used to reduce excessively loud inputs? to

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:28:22AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 06:57:35PM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: The direction part is clear except for the input-vr0, input-vr50, input-vr80. For

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 04:02:58PM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:28:22AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: are you saying outputs.line-in_sense doesn't change when you plug some

Re: Hard disk errors - OpenBSD reports errors, SMART says all is well.

John O'Connor wrote: Hi, I am getting some strange errors from an openBSD system that I am using as a backup server. I transfer some files onto the system via ftp. (1260 files with a total size of 60G.) The transfer works OK and then I try to check the newly arrived files. The last file in th

Re: Azalia and ac3

Jacob Meuser wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 08:26:42PM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Jacob Meuser wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 04:02:58PM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: Well, you are right about front jack sense not working. I didn't have the front jacks (only speaker an

Re: How to turn on the numlock?

xeagle linux wrote: *Hi,* ** *I would like to open the numeric keys automatically every time when OpenBSD starts !* *Who can help me?* ** *Mysorrow* You have several choices. I also do not ever use number pad except for numbers. I use the Xmodmap version on this page. http://wiki.robotz.

Re: How to turn on the numlock?

Dave Wilson wrote: On 27/12/2009 23:47, xeagle linux wrote: *Hi,* ** *I would like to open the numeric keys automatically every time when OpenBSD starts !* *Who can help me?* ** *Mysorrow* Easiest way is, most BIOSes these days have an option to have numlock default to on at boot. I'

Re: How to turn on the numlock?

Dave Wilson wrote: On 27/12/2009 23:47, xeagle linux wrote: *Hi,* ** *I would like to open the numeric keys automatically every time when OpenBSD starts !* *Who can help me?* ** *Mysorrow* Easiest way is, most BIOSes these days have an option to have numlock default to on at boot. I'

Re: Dumb package questions

L. V. Lammert wrote: Trying to fix an old 4.3 machine, for some strange reason both versions of ImageMagick require X11 - i.e.: # pkg_add ImageMagick-6.3.6.10-no_x11.tgz Can't install libwmf-0.2.8.3p3: lib not found ICE.8.1 Dependencies for libwmf-0.2.8.3p3 resolve to: libxml-2.6.30, libiconv-1.

Another question about mod_perl in chroot

runs recent -current I will try Registry:BB item next, but first, Do I just have my server files a mess or is there a bug in older mod_perl? If there is a bug, I will just upgrade or fresh re-install to -current Thanks Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an

Re: Another question about mod_perl in chroot

Chris Bennett wrote: A while back, I asked a question about running mod_perl in chroot. I got good answers and had good success running two of my virtual hosts on my laptop while traveling (with then -current). I was able to get a lot of important work done. However, my server has a few other

Re: Another question about mod_perl in chroot

Chris Bennett wrote: Chris Bennett wrote: A while back, I asked a question about running mod_perl in chroot. I got good answers and had good success running two of my virtual hosts on my laptop while traveling (with then -current). I was able to get a lot of important work done. However, my

Re: What does your environment look like?

I use scrotwm with dual monitors. I really like scrotwm since it works well on even really old hardware. I adjust to make home, end, delete=delete forward work in xterm I force keypad to work numbers only I use colorls I have aliases to swap between english and spanish I have emu card so I use au

Re: What does your environment look like?

Josh Rickmar wrote: I tried out scrotwm, wasn't all that impressed. I really don't understand why the devs decided to remove dwm's tagging features. This may have changed in more recent version of scrotwm, but back when I last tried it, the statusbar also was not able to show you which workspace

Re: What does your environment look like?

Ryan Flannery wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:23, Chris Bennett Josh Rickmar wrote: [snip] This may have changed in more recent version of scrotwm, but back when I last tried it, the statusbar also was not able to show

Re: CUPS alternative

Predrag Punosevac wrote: I know very little about Windows but I would swear that I have seen or read that Windows can speak LPD printing protocol. I also have no knowledge of Samba but I would swear that I read somewhere that supports LPD. Yes, windows speaks LPD. I just don't know anythi

Insecurity Output about httpd.conf

I don't use a lot of conf files in conf/modules, but yesterday I edited my php.conf and httpd.conf. The two changes were tied to each other for a specific change. I just got my insecurity output. It only listed changes to httpd.conf. There was nothing about change to php.conf. For a while now,

Re: Insecurity Output about httpd.conf

Paul de Weerd wrote: On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 06:25:59AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: | I don't use a lot of conf files in conf/modules, but yesterday I | edited my php.conf and httpd.conf. | The two changes were tied to each other for a specific change. | | I just got my insecurity outpu

Re: Java for other than x86/amd64?

Adam Thompson wrote: In article , jay.kr...@cornell.edu says... Anyone working on this? I think the most definitive answer is found at: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenJDK/BSDPort ...and the answer, unfortunately, appears to be "not really". -Adam And they thoughtfully include

Re: scrotwm: anyone with a non-US keyboard ?

Marco Peereboom wrote: I need some test reports for this on both US and non-US (aka silly) keyboards please. Silly?? Just try typing n-tilde and accents using all copy and paste! I've done that horror now and then. Ouch! :) I'll test it a little later and reply -- A human being should be a

Re: scrotwm: anyone with a non-US keyboard ?

I had problems with this patch. I opened xterm setxkbmap es I opened emacs, using "normal" key sequences. In emacs, I was able to use keys such as Alt-x ok. Then I suddenly discovered I couldn't changes windows anymore. I had to Cntrl-Alt-Backsp to get out of scrotwm OpenBSD 4.6-current (GENER

Re: spamd okean blacklist not mirrored

Jan Dev wrote: Hi all The /etc/mail/spamd.conf shipped with OpenBSD 4.6 says that the china blacklist located at is mirrored at . Currently, this does not seem to be the case. The OpenBSD's says #last updated

Re: how do I do a rename(1) ?

Daniele Pilenga wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Han Boetes wrote: Christopher Zimmermann wrote: I'm missing the http://linux.die.net/man/1/rename command in OpenBSD. I found this some time ago, very handy: http://snipplr.com/view/2677/rename--larry-walls-filename-fixe

Re: The insecurity of OpenBSD

What a laugh. I hope all of you see that this article has to be a hoax. Oh well, I certainly learned a lot from this. find / -name .* -print >> /etc/changelist chmod -R / I feel so much safer! -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a shi

Re: Books on reverse engineering?

The booklist on the OpenBSD site is very good. I was concerned that a few items were "old", but that is just not relevant. An excellent grasp of C is going to be necessary. It takes a long time to get "good" at programming. I have seen the phrase "For good code examples, just look at OpenBSD sou

Re: Sed and GNU-like

Ted Unangst wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Marcello Cruz wrote: $ s/(^[A_Z]{1})([a-z]+)\.sgml/\1\2\.html/g As I read I must prefix the '{', '}', '(' and ')' with backslashes. Even if I do so, the command does not work. The command should take a filename starting with a capital lett

perl script-cron fails, at and command line work

I just re-installed fresh from 4.5 to 4.6. I now have a problem with a script that ran from cron for many months without problems. From cron I get: Logfile LWP_SupeRref.log failed to open at /home/user/LWP/LWP_ref.pl line 73. I have tried altering permissions, deleting file, touching file,

Re: perl script-cron fails, at and command line work

Frank Bax wrote: Chris Bennett wrote: I just re-installed fresh from 4.5 to 4.6. I now have a problem with a script that ran from cron for many months without problems. From cron I get: Logfile LWP_SupeRref.log failed to open at /home/user/LWP/LWP_ref.pl line 73. I have tried altering

Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: On Sun, 24 Jan 2010, Ted Unangst wrote: Are you sitting around feeling bored because you don't know how to help out OpenBSD? Did your requests for info on where to start come back with unhelpful responses? I

Re: pf and apache: to stop a scripter

Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: there is a website protected by pf and running apache on a recent openbsd snapshot that needs to be protected against scripting attacks. i can configure both pf and apache to help block this behavior but am not familiar with the best practices for such configurations.

Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

Lars Nooden wrote: Ingo Schwarze wrote: David Coppa wrote on Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:19:07PM +0100: Maybe this can be an idea: http://xyne.archlinux.ca/manpages/cronwhip Citing from that page: :: DESCRIPTION :: Cronwhip runs cronjobs that would have been run in the time sinc

Re: Fw: pico and/or nano in the releases and snapshots

Giridhari wrote: Hare Krsna. From: Giridhari Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:37 AM To: dera...@cvs.openbsd.org ; dera...@openbsd.org Subject: Fw: pico and/or nano in the releases and snapshots ATTENTION Last night I saved a rat from certain death at the hands of a cat whose ovaries had b

Re: Daily : forward mails from root to normal user

Jean-Francois wrote: hello, How to properly do the following ? Note: The scripts are all run as part of root's crontab(5). However, it is strongly suggested that the root mail account be an alias that for- wards messages to a real user or set of users. Otherwise, root's mail

Firefox malware in add-ons

This article is about some add-ons that are not safe. Shockingly, :) they got by Mozilla's eyes http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5408&tag=content;col1 I might not post this, except I suspect that there are other add-ons that are not secure. I recently had Firefox 3.5 open web pages "magical

Re: Firefox malware in add-ons

ropers wrote: On 8 February 2010 00:45, Chris Bennett wrote: This article is about some add-ons that are not safe. Shockingly, :) they got by Mozilla's eyes http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=5408&tag=content;col1 I might not post this, except I suspect that there are other add

Re: Refusal to mention OpenBSD in a MSc Advanced Networking course

ee which of the several thousand Linuxes would be a good choice, I kept running into stuff mentioning OpenBSD. It didn't take long for me to forget about Linux. I have no regrets. So don't worry. The "right" people don't need any prodding, they will make it here on their

Voice Chat over IP?

I want to set up voice chat with another computer in Guatemala from US. My ISP here blocks all incoming connections now so I need to ( I assume) use SSH Tunneling through my server to make this work. I looked at thread about voice chat with aucat, but I can't get aucat to run on my server. I ge

Re: Voice Chat over IP?

nealHogan wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 07:51:42AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: I want to set up voice chat with another computer in Guatemala from US. My ISP here blocks all incoming connections now so I need to ( I assume) use SSH Tunneling through my server to make this work. I looked at

Re: Voice Chat over IP?

Ryan Flannery wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chris Bennett wrote: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 07:51:42AM -0600, Chris Bennett wrote: [snip] Yes, that's the thread. Nice to know there is a page written up for it. The problem I see is how to make a connection in the first

Re: OT, .. but has anyone seen a crontab editor

L. V. Lammert wrote: On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, bofh wrote: What kind of basic unix admin can't deal with % export EDITOR=vi % crontab -e ? Didn't say they were *unix* admins, .. no way I'd saddle some of these guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly. L

English and Spanish keyboard at same time?

I do most of my work in English, but I also do a small amount in Spanish. I have a Spanish keyboard, but when I tried hooking it up, didn't get what was on keys. Is there any way to change this dynamically so that I can switch back and forth easily? Chris Bennett -- A human being shou

Re: English and Spanish keyboard at same time?

Mats O Jansson wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Chris Bennett wrote: I do most of my work in English, but I also do a small amount in Spanish. I have a Spanish keyboard, but when I tried hooking it up, didn't get what was on keys. there is no problems to have different encodings on two keyb

Re: English and Spanish keyboard at same time?

Chris Bennett wrote: Mats O Jansson wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Chris Bennett wrote: I do most of my work in English, but I also do a small amount in Spanish. I have a Spanish keyboard, but when I tried hooking it up, didn't get what was on keys. there is no problems to have diff

Re: English and Spanish keyboard at same time?

, but found keystrokes from looking at that! Thanks, Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, coop

mod_perl script is failing to work under SSL

rebooting as a last resort. Have not found any useful advice for this problem searching web. Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort t

Re: mod_perl script is failing to work under SSL

Markus Wernig wrote: Chris Bennett wrote: I now wanted to improve security a bit, so when I tried accessing script with https, I get this error in log file: Can't locate object method "request" via package "Apache" Hi Compare the httpd.conf of your ssl

Re: No audio : did I miss something basic ?

What are you trying to get sound from? Try turning off the mutes that are on. mixerctl inputs.cd.mute=off for example. also, try cdio cdplay, with a music cd (This is pure digital and gives better quality than cdio play) also, add to .profile: pgrep -x aucat || aucat -l (someone

Question about spamd

equal chance of getting through? If this is true, would it be reasonable to significantly reduce greylisting time after getting second try from a non-listed IP? (To get new IP good emails faster) Is this a silly idea or not? Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan

Re: VHS transfer on OpenBSD

bktr, just video. I suppose audio could be recorded using another card, but that sounds hard to make work well. You can watch a video with mplayer AND listen to a separate audio stream with something like mplayer -audiofile VHS.mp3 VHS_video.mp4. Chris Bennett

Apache logs wierdness

I've just noticed something odd happening in my access_log. I have a mod_perl script which I use regularly. When I access this script, my access doesn't show up! Script errors however, do show up. When I access an html page, I show up. What's going on here? Chris Bennett

Re: Wireless USB Adaptor

been changed to one that won't work. Contacting the manufacturer is the ONLY good way. Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the d

Re: Supporting OpenBSD

ed $1 donations is still around $72 extra for OpenBSD. Anyone who has counted change to buy food knows that even a few extra bucks can make your day a whole lot better! Chris Bennett On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rod Whitworth wrote: Of course I try to be first to pre-order my CD setS

long running cron script, sendmail question

e if it is script related or ISP related. Does having sendmail open for a few hours cause any problems? I was thinking that if it does, I could easily rewrite to print out details only at very end of script. Thanks, Chris Bennett

Re: Shutdown problem.

Buzzer wrote: /etc/rc.shutdown in progress... /etc/rc.shutdown complete. syncing disks... And thats all, folk. Once I was sitting 4 minutes near my PC and waiting for power off. Then I manually turned off the power. This problem may repeat from time to time on 'reboot' and 'halt -p' commands. Y

Re: 4.6 arriving

4.3, 4.2 and 4.1 never seemed even slightly "broken" to me! Things will be better with 4.6. Looking forward to it. But if someone simply MUST have a new feature, -current works just fine on my desktop. Thanks Theo and developers! Chris Bennett

Using all mod_perl in chrooted Apache, what needs to be inside?

omorrow at earliest. Thanks, Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve

Spanish language resources for OpenBSD

s in some additional languages, but I don't see any signs of that. Was that just for non-OpenBSD versions? Thanks, Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a w

Re: Spanish language resources for OpenBSD

backmachine or something like that. Maybe the Mexican site has been recorded there? I will try and look for it. Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set

Re: FreeBSD isn't Free

has to be very high. Some of the other border crossings are better, but Laredo can take a very long time. Whenever I can, I prefer to walk across the bridge. Much quicker and less hassle. Frankly, it is why I am moving away from US. I like freedom over tyranny. Chris Bennett

Re: (mailx) How can I alter "From" header

y get masquerading to work properly for me. Chris Bennett

Re: Enough is enough!

On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:55:36PM +0100, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 04:18:08AM -0400, bsdmas...@hushmail.com wrote: > > FTP server down, amd64 snapshot packages way out of sync with > > latest libc bump... What the hell! > > > > If you guys don't get your sh*t together,

perldoc manpage error or nroff change?

in error or has nroff been changed? Chris Bennett

Re: perldoc manpage error or nroff change?

SS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR # * ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES # * WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN # * ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF # * OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. # */ perl v5.12.22010-03-26 2 Thats all of it. Chris Bennett

Re: perldoc manpage error or nroff change?

to make those ugly titles and recently (perhaps due to someone's work? :) ) now gets it right. I will clean up as you suggested. Thanks, Chris Bennett

Re: X freezing on Jan 8 & 9 snapshots

here. Thanks Chris Bennett

X not working on latest snapshot

X failed completely for me on a previous snapshot, complete lock up, black screen. I built X with CFLAGS=-g, changed sysctl to kern.nosuidcoredump=2 and ran startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/X -keepPriv I was able to kill remotely and did not get a black screen.No /var/crash nor Xorg.0.log. I just ins

Re: secure popa3d

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 03:49:11PM +0400, OpenBSD Geek wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to build a mailserver with OpenBSD, Sendmail, cyrus-sasl, and > popa3d. All works good. And thank you for all replies (for sendmail > question). > > Is there a way to secure popa3d, except using TCPWrappers (tcpd

Re: Server inaccessible after upgrade from 7.5 to 7.6

the problem was, but I think I have it in some old support tickets. Have you tried doing a cold reboot? I also got email blacklisted once and I had the exact same experience of it looking like I was logging in but I couldn't. Removing myself from that blacklist and notifying support solved the problem. -- Regards, Chris Bennett

Re: Need some information about fork(2)

So if I run small program A that has some leaks. I don't free a few things as suggested. Then I run program B that happens to use those memory addresses that didn't get freed by program A, what happens then? Are there problems? Or does it just get used properly? -- Regards, Chris Bennett

Emails sent from ISP this server rented from (supposedly bare metal) are not shown in maillog. How can this be?

elsewhere. -- Regards, Chris Bennett

Re: Emails sent from ISP this server rented from (supposedly bare metal) are not shown in maillog. How can this be?

I made a mistake, sorry for the noise. My distrust of this company has to due with them having a cloned copy of a still bootable but failing hard drive with sensitive information during service. May or may not be relevant. -- Sorry, Chris Bennett

Re: Emails sent from ISP this server rented from (supposedly bare metal) are not shown in maillog. How can this be?

Sorry, I wrote the subject a little bit unclear. I am recieving emails fine and logged, except for the ones the isp is sending to me at this server. Those are just showing up not logged. -- Regards, Chris Bennett

Re: Unable to upgrade to new version of OpenBSD.

wasn't a particularly common model. I tried various -currents for a few years without success. Hopefully there will be a solution in your case. -- Good Luck, Chris Bennett

Re: moving from screen to tmux: how to have first start create a set of windows?

older save. It's pretty convenient and has occasionally saved me from a "serious" problem. -- Regards, Chris Bennett

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