Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote: There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken, probably fatally broken. Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding and retrieving that particular article or o

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Juan Miscaro writes: > someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded? > What truth is there to this? Under what kind of load would an OpenBSD > firewall's performance suffer due to it being non-multithreaded? I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person w

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Lars Nooden wrote: > > On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote: > > There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can > > never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken, > > probably fatally broken. > > Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding and > ret

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: > I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who told > you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded: eh, "because it is *not* multithreaded:" -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsd

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: > > > I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who > told > > you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded: > > eh, "because it is *not* multithreaded:" > Now watch when application programmers use mu

Re: tls proxy in front of spamd?

> STARTTLS should be the first command the client issues, long before > DATA, but you seem confused as to who is connecting to spamd. Your > clients should never be talking to spamd to submit mail. > Sorry, I maybe confused about the term for MTAs using ssl to deliver mail to me. I just feel wr

Re: tls proxy in front of spamd?

Kevin Chadwick writes: > I maybe confused about the term for MTAs using ssl to deliver mail to > me. I just feel wrong using tls for delivering mail to other servers or > atleast a hop, without letting them do the same. Well, spamd never actually tries to deliver mail. In a normal scenario, th

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On Wed, 5 May 2010, Tony Abernethy wrote: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2006/EECS-2006-1.pdf first choice googling: threads berkeley Thanks. You have better luck with Google than I did. berkeley threading won't find it. Repeating once more for the archive: http://www.eecs.ber

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Tony Abernethy wrote: Lars Nooden wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote: There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken, probably fatally broken. Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding an

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Jan Stary wrote: On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote: What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular, someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded? What truth is there to this? Und

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Tony Abernethy wrote: > Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: >> pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: >> >>> I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who >> told >>> you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded: >> eh, "because it is *not* multithreaded:" >> > Now watch when a

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On 5 May 2010 01:07, Geoff wrote: > Juan Miscaro wrote on Tue, 4 May 2010 22:15:09 -0400 > >>What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in >>OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular, >>someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithre

Re: tls proxy in front of spamd?

> Well, spamd never actually tries to deliver mail. In a normal > scenario, the hosts that will talk to spamd are ones that have never > delivered mail to your site before (greylisting) or the ones we know > are trying to deliver spam (already blacklisted somewhere, greytrapped > etc). > > I supp

openbsd not blob free?

There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html The location of the blob in the tree is here: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/micr

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Re: tls proxy in front of spamd?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 03:30:06PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Do you not think it would be better for mail servers to try ssl on one > port and then plain on port 25 if a rst or timeout occurs. Then it > would be harder for attackers to force falling back to plain and > forcing only tls would b

Re: openbsd not blob free?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote: > There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: > > http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html > > The location of the blob in

Re: [Bulk] Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

I heard that after being stuck at around 3ghz at a reasonable temp for ages. Intel decided to go multicore and just after the time the decision was made, a breakthrough in single core was made and ignored as development was redirected. I imagine they would have hit another barrier though, otherwise

Re: openbsd not blob free?

On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:44:48 +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > Blobs that run on hardware like PCI cards != blobs that run on the same > processor as the kernel. What is the difference between inaccessible firmware on expansion cards and firmware blobs uploaded to expansion cards by the operating sy

Re: openbsd not blob free?

It's not a blob, it is firmware image and there are a few of them in the tree. Blobs are binary drivers. On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote: > There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob

Re: openbsd not blob free?

2010/5/5 Kent Watsen > There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: > > http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html > > The location of the blob in the tree is here: > > > http://www.openb

Re: openbsd not blob free?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote: > There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: > > http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html > > The location of the blob in

Re: openbsd not blob free?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote: > There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: > > http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html In OpenBSD's case, "binary blob"

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Re: openbsd not blob free?

Dan Harnett writes: > In OpenBSD's case, "binary blob" refers to binary-only drivers, not > firmware. Firmware is usually okay if it is documented and under an > acceptable license. Specifically, the license needs to grant the OpenBSD project the right to redistribute the firmware files. Unfor

Re: openbsd not blob free?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote: > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: You've just walked into an old flame war. See http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119983946724267

Re: openbsd not blob free?

Kent Watsen wrote: > There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where > it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it: > > http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html > > The location of the blob in the tree is here: > > http://www.openbsd.

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Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > Hi, > I would like to thank everybody who worked on libsndio/aucat, especially > ratchov@, I really love the design and the the "it just works(TM)" > experience. ;) > I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the vo

Re: [Bulk] Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

* Kevin Chadwick [2010-05-05 18:00]: > I notice OpenBSD states one processor for applications and one for > boot. Does that increase security via priviledge/memory separation or > is it just because only one is used during boot? the term "application processor" is misleading. once booted the proc

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote: > Jan Stary wrote: >> On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote: >>> What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in >>> OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular, >>> someone told me that pf is

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: [snip] > > I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the volume > > control in aucat just works using the sliders. However I'm not quite > > savvy in

OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain: I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about software engineering in my university. My feeling is that someone wrote it, never implemented it, and for some stupid reason, the industry/academia bought it. So as I regard

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I recently

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > [snip] > > > I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the volume > > > control in

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain: I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about software engineering in my university. User Mode Linux works ok, you should probably try asking over on one of the li

Re: [Bulk] Re: tls proxy in front of spamd?

> Ugh... > If the attacker can modify the EHLO to not include STARTTLS he surely > can also send a RST in response to your attempt to connect to another > port. > > Also, SSL is completely useless without DNSSEC. You just need to spoof > the MX records or the A records they point to and you've los

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

I think the UML the OP is referring to is Unified Modeling Language and Rational Unified Process. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: > On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: >> >> Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain: >> >> I'm really sick of hearing

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, 05.05.2010 at 14:31:32 -0500, Walter Goulet wrote: > I think the UML the OP is referring to is Unified Modeling Language > and Rational Unified Process. I think this solves it: > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: > > :P ;) Kind regards, --Toni++

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On 5 May 2010 16:25, Lars Nooden wrote: > On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: >> >> Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain: >> >> I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about >> software engineering in my university. > > User Mode Linux works

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Hi, I'm not an OpenBSD developer, but would like to chime in anyway: On Wed, 05.05.2010 at 16:08:47 -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about > software engineering in my university. Many of those things are not really "bullshi

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert < haesba...@haesbaert.org> wrote: > On 5 May 2010 16:25, Lars Nooden wrote: > > On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > >> > >> Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain: > >> > >> I'm really sick of hearing about

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:49:51PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 05, 2010

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

I have sen many attempts at UML and they all ended in tears. Not surprising because UML is an academic thing that does not apply to that thing we call "reality". Total waste of time. But wait, it gets better! If you want to see it fail even more spectacularly use the "tools" they have such as r

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 03:48:24PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > I have sen many attempts at UML and they all ended in tears. Not > surprising because UML is an academic thing Wasn't it a business thing from the beginning on, as you wrote in the next paragraph? > that does not apply to that >

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

I just lurk on this list. But UML modeling is not BS when used in some places. In Linux or BSD programming, though, it would only really work for user applications that are more OOP; UML isn't easy to do in C. [No need to whack me, I know that OOP can be done in ANSI C but it usually is not.]

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Hilarity. ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/uk/itsolutions/developer/RSDC2007/Rational_song.mp3 On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 03:48:24PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > I have sen many attempts at UML and they all ended in tears. Not > surprising because UML is an academic thing that does not apply

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

> I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about > software engineering in my university. "Unified Modeling Language"... I think it's just part of all that Java non-sense.

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On 5 May 2010 19:35, dereck wrote: > Messages like this are the reason I lurk here but seldom say anything. > > Yes, we all have our crosses to bear - and some people have the bad luck of never working with intelligent people. > Can you provide a real working example ? Because no one has ever don

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

> Can you provide a real working example ? > Because no one has ever done that for me. > Even if you can, can you provide 2 or three examples ? > I would think again on the "never working with inteliigent people" part. > Can you or anyone, prove that this works *more often than not* ? > I'm at the

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Messages like this are the reason I lurk here but seldom say anything. Yes, we all have our crosses to bear - and some people have the bad luck of never working with intelligent people. --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Marco Peereboom wrote: > From: Marco Peereboom > Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone stat

Re: openbsd not blob free?

blobs? multithreading? What is this, troll week?

Re: pf icmp6 question

Hi, my guess would be somewhere about line 2803 in pf.c: when the rule matches for the first time, it reaches the if (af != AF_INET6) which is isn't (pfctl's parse.y sets it to 0 when AF omitted). There's also a subtle name inconsistency between use of 'af' and 'pd->af' (compare ICMP4 vs 6 cases),

Re: openbsd not blob free?

On Wed, 05 May 2010 19:41:10 -0400, Eric Furman wrote: >blobs? multithreading? >What is this, troll week? > And bloody UML as well. I wouldn't reply to any of the "discussion" because I'm in agreement with you. I think the trolls are getting a new "paradigm" though, selecting topics that look lik

Re: [Bulk] Re: tls proxy in front of spamd?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:27:46PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Of course, if it's your mail server and clients you can use ips without > dns have certficates tied to those ips and even block or monitor resets, > none of which can be done with starttls and it is also a smaller window > of opportu

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Ok, now I think we can stop this post. No one can present a working example. Sorry for the noise.

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

No one has time to provide examples for an email list. I said in my writeup that I didn't care for the heavyweight RUP. But I've used in several places the UML for documentation. However, if you think that no one is successfully using UML processes for documentation my suggestion is that you get

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Yep, you are correct. So, can I get your phone number to send our clients to when they need another pointless opinion intended to start a flame? Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between "user programs" and "system programs". The overwhelming majority of user-land programs are d

Re: openbsd not blob free?

No one can resist UML & threads! On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 09:54:00AM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote: > On Wed, 05 May 2010 19:41:10 -0400, Eric Furman wrote: > > >blobs? multithreading? > >What is this, troll week? > > > And bloody UML as well. > > I wouldn't reply to any of the "discussion" because

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On 5 May 2010 14:09, Marco Peereboom wrote: > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote: >> Jan Stary wrote: >>> On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote: What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD? B Also, what applications are multithre

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 05:05:52PM -0700, dereck wrote: > Yep, you are correct. So, can I get your phone number to send our clients to > when they need another pointless opinion intended to start a flame? > > Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between "user programs" and > "system

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 05:02:07PM -0700, dereck wrote: > No one has time to provide examples for an email list. I said in my writeup > that I didn't care for the heavyweight RUP. But I've used in several places > the UML for documentation. However, if you think that no one is successfully > u

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

I would really like to have your contact information as well for consulting. You are obviously a really smart guy! I'm sure that you did not read my writeup in which I _SPECIFICALLY_ pointed out that C code wouldn't fit the UML. And since the other genius wanted my own examples (as if most compan

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

Quoting Juan Miscaro : > On 5 May 2010 14:09, Marco Peereboom wrote: > > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote: > >> Jan Stary wrote: > >>> On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote: > What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in > OpenBSD? B A

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

> Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between "user programs" and > "system programs". The overwhelming majority of user-land programs are done > in OOP languages. That Java nonsense just happens to be the most popular > programming language. Yes and the vast majority of people

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

Straw man and false analogy in one post. Batting 1000% so far. --- On Thu, 5/6/10, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: > From: VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO > Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ? > To: dereckhask...@yahoo.com, haesba...@haesbaert.org, lars.cura...@gmail.com, vt...@c

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

The computer industry is driven by fashion instead of quality...

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:29 +1200, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: > Quoting Juan Miscaro : cut > "Someone" told me my Atari ST was "garbage" and their Amiga was better. Of course Amiga was better!!! :-P > > -- cut > > /jm -- Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, 5 May 2010 19:25:54 -0700 (PDT), dereck wrote: >Like I said - you are a smart guy! And you are not. If you were you would know that none of what you are trolling about is of any relevance to OpenBSD. It's just noise. If you think that spamming the list to find the one or two people who

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

"Someone" told me my Atari ST was "garbage" and their Amiga was better. Hey, I will stay out of the rest, but the Atari wasn't bad, however the Amiga was really great and many years ahead of it's time. (;> I had to sale my 2000 and 1000 with all my books, my Astec compiler (Really expensive p

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

On 5/5/10 10:58 PM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:29 +1200, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Quoting Juan Miscaro: cut "Someone" told me my Atari ST was "garbage" and their Amiga was better. Of course Amiga was better!!! :-P Yea men! Amen to that! (:::>>>

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

> But here are the facts smart man: Java is so common that it is known to as > _the_ application language of our time - it is ubiquitous. LMAO Why don't YOU provide an example of some USEFUL program in Java? > toward it changes that not one bit. And a fair portion of this new Java is > document

Java 1.6 & thinkorswim from TDAmeritrade

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Re: openbsd not blob free?

discovery channel has shark week, misc@openbsd.org has troll week. did you know that a troll's vision is actually very poor? their most acute sense is that of smell, which they routinely use to find garbage online. Marco Peereboom wrote: No one can resist UML & threads! On Thu, May 06, 201

Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

> Why don't YOU provide an example of some USEFUL program in > Java? > You are joking, right? Much of your day-to-day life activity (silently) works in Java. For one example: most banking and financial firms have multiple millions in investment in Java back office, Java Web Services and Web P

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Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 04:08:47PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote: > So as I regard the openbsd folks as highly skilled developers, I ask > for your opinion. I'm not an OpenBSD Developer. Probably you asking on the wrong list. > > Is my impression completely wrong ? > We've made a whole J

Re: aucat + korg nanokontrol midi controller

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Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?

On May 05 19:40:23, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: > > I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about > > software engineering in my university. > > "Unified Modeling Language"... > > I think it's just part of all that Java non-sense. "Hear once, spam everywhere"

Re: State of multiprocessing and multithreading in OpenBSD

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Re: Java 1.6 & thinkorswim from TDAmeritrade

On Wed, 5 May 2010 20:27:33 -0700 Marcel Dan wrote: > Hi, > > I have been unable to get thinkorswim connected to the TDAmeritrade > server on OpenBSD. > > Has anyone used thinkorswim from TDAmeritrade on OpenBSD? > > thanks, > > Marcel You need to provide more information. What *exactly* are