Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-15 Thread Lars Hansson
Paolo Supino wrote: I appriciate your straight and forward replies :-) but the world isn't black and white and sometime you have to create work arounds to overcome other people's crap (well most of the time). No, in this case it is black and white. There is NO WAY to reliably fix this probl

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/04/14 11:37, Paolo Supino wrote: > From the technical aspect, I agree with you. But non technical people > don't see (or understand) that :-( I wish I had time to sit down and > find out how to exploit the webapp. if you don't have time to work this out, you don't have time to get your

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 05:58:52PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-14 17:53]: > > From the technical aspect, I agree with you. But non technical people > > don't see (or understand) that :-( I wish I had time to sit down and > > find out how to exploit

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Vijay In one of my replies I did write that I was checking what it means to manage a white list (I didn't use the term white list though) to block outgoing spam but since the new firewall isn't in place yet (and it will be a couple of weeks before I can install it) I thought of doing it

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Henning I appriciate your straight and forward replies :-) but the world isn't black and white and sometime you have to create work arounds to overcome other people's crap (well most of the time). Unfortunately cutting the cable isn't an acceptable solution (I'll get fired and someone el

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Åke Nordin
On 4/14/07, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-14 16:43]: > 1. Fixing the code is impossible :-( I already tried it, the developers > keep saying that they're code is sound and safe. I've shown logs and > statistics to the bosses of the company t

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Vijay Sankar
On Saturday 14 April 2007 10:06, Paolo Supino wrote: > Hi Joachim > >I know that right now I'm mostly going at it in the wrong way but > I have to fix it quickly and without changing the infrastructure. I'm > not a windows or layer 7 person but rather a layer 1 to layer 4 in my > background, so

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-14 17:53]: > From the technical aspect, I agree with you. But non technical people > don't see (or understand) that :-( I wish I had time to sit down and > find out how to exploit the webapp. I tried to bring in a company to do > penetration testing,

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Henning From the technical aspect, I agree with you. But non technical people don't see (or understand) that :-( I wish I had time to sit down and find out how to exploit the webapp. I tried to bring in a company to do penetration testing, but I was refused the budget for it. I can't fi

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:06:43AM -0400, Paolo Supino wrote: > Hi Joachim > > I know that right now I'm mostly going at it in the wrong way but I > have to fix it quickly and without changing the infrastructure. I'm not > a windows or layer 7 person but rather a layer 1 to layer 4 in my > ba

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-14 17:16]: > I know that right now I'm mostly going at it in the wrong way but I > have to fix it quickly and without changing the infrastructure. I'm not > a windows or layer 7 person but rather a layer 1 to layer 4 in my > background, so I'm trying

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Joachim I know that right now I'm mostly going at it in the wrong way but I have to fix it quickly and without changing the infrastructure. I'm not a windows or layer 7 person but rather a layer 1 to layer 4 in my background, so I'm trying to find a solution in those layers. I work in an

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-14 16:43]: > 1. Fixing the code is impossible :-( I already tried it, the developers > keep saying that they're code is sound and safe. I've shown logs and > statistics to the bosses of the company that owns the webapp, but the > only response I got wa

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Bob Beck
* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-14 08:43]: > Hi Kyle > > 1. Fixing the code is impossible :-( I already tried it, the developers > keep saying that they're code is sound and safe. I've shown logs and > statistics to the bosses of the company that owns the webapp, but the > only resp

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Kyle 1. Fixing the code is impossible :-( I already tried it, the developers keep saying that they're code is sound and safe. I've shown logs and statistics to the bosses of the company that owns the webapp, but the only response I got was: "fix it" (they aren't making the connection betwe

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Bob Beck
> You are going about this all wrong. First step is finding a suitable > blunt instrument and getting the developers to fix it. The second step > is configuring rate limiting, along the lines of '1000 mails/hour'; > this will allow a large batch of e-mail to get through immediately, but > stop spam

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-14 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 10:17:51PM -0400, Paolo Supino wrote: > Hi Bob > > The webapp does talk to a real mail server: on localhost (IIS6 SMTP > service). When a spammers abuses the webapp the email is actually sent > via the local mail server and not directly from the webapp to all the > mai

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-13 Thread Kyle George
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Paolo Supino wrote: The webapp does talk to a real mail server: on localhost (IIS6 SMTP service). When a spammers abuses the webapp the email is actually sent via the local mail server and not directly from the webapp to all the mail servers on the Internet. Rate limiting

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-13 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Paolo Supino wrote: > Hi Bob > > The webapp does talk to a real mail server: on localhost (IIS6 SMTP > service). When a spammers abuses the webapp the email is actually sent > via the local mail server and not directly from the webapp to all the > mail servers on the Internet. Rate limiting isn't

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-13 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi Bob The webapp does talk to a real mail server: on localhost (IIS6 SMTP service). When a spammers abuses the webapp the email is actually sent via the local mail server and not directly from the webapp to all the mail servers on the Internet. Rate limiting isn't an option because emails

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-13 Thread mark reardon
hogwash might help. I havent used it in a fair while though. http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1208 On 13/04/07, Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi > >I have the following problem: I host a group of windows servers that > run a webapp using IIS6 ASP technology. The webapp was w

Re: using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Beck
* Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-04-12 22:12]: > Hi > > I have the following problem: I host a group of windows servers that > run a webapp using IIS6 ASP technology. The webapp was written and is > maintained by a small private company that develops custom webapps for > companies. On

using spamd to block outbound spam

2007-04-12 Thread Paolo Supino
Hi I have the following problem: I host a group of windows servers that run a webapp using IIS6 ASP technology. The webapp was written and is maintained by a small private company that develops custom webapps for companies. One of the services the webapp does is send out emails (nothing ama