Re: X security claims in FAQ considering Xorg setuid root binary (was: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios)

2015-09-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Op 28-09-15 om 23:29 schreef Philip Guenther: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:31 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > ... > >> X has never been installed on this box, .. why now? > > > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeededX > > > > From the FAQ: > "By itself, installing X on a system does n

Re: X security claims in FAQ considering Xorg setuid root binary (was: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios)

2015-09-29 Thread Ted Unangst
Tim Kuijsten wrote: > Op 28-09-15 om 23:29 schreef Philip Guenther: > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:31 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > > ... > >> X has never been installed on this box, .. why now? > > > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeededX > > > > From the FAQ: > "By itself, installing

Re: X security claims in FAQ considering Xorg setuid root binary (was: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios)

2015-09-29 Thread Tim Kuijsten
Op 28-09-15 om 23:29 schreef Philip Guenther: On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:31 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: ... X has never been installed on this box, .. why now? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeededX From the FAQ: "By itself, installing X on a system does not change the risk of exte

Re: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios

2015-09-29 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015/09/28 19:34, L. V. Lammert wrote: > On Tue, 29 Sep 2015, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > Also note: if this is on a 32-bit machine (e.g. i386), the time_t > > change breaks things with nagios and icinga. Fixed for icinga in > > the OpenBSD 5.7 package (patches in 200+ places for this) but na

Re: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios

2015-09-28 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015, Stuart Henderson wrote: > Also note: if this is on a 32-bit machine (e.g. i386), the time_t > change breaks things with nagios and icinga. Fixed for icinga in > the OpenBSD 5.7 package (patches in 200+ places for this) but nagios > is comparatively unloved. ;) > Interesting, .

Re: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios

2015-09-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015-09-28, Philip Guenther wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:31 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: >> Trying to upgrade our 5.4 Nagios system to 5.5, .. everything went fine >> with the system, but it appears that there are some new dependencies for >> the web UI: > ... >> X has never been installed o

Re: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios

2015-09-28 Thread L. V. Lammert
... > > X has never been installed on this box, .. why now? > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeededX > Of course, .. the question was about Nagios [hence the slightly OT]. Lee

Re: Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios

2015-09-28 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:31 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote: > Trying to upgrade our 5.4 Nagios system to 5.5, .. everything went fine > with the system, but it appears that there are some new dependencies for > the web UI: ... > X has never been installed on this box, .. why now? http://www.openbsd.org

Slightly OT, .. 5.5 Nagios

2015-09-28 Thread L. V. Lammert
Trying to upgrade our 5.4 Nagios system to 5.5, .. everything went fine with the system, but it appears that there are some new dependencies for the web UI: # pkg_add nagios-web-4.0.1-chroot Can't install php-gd-5.4.24 because of libraries |library X11.16.0 not found | not found anywhere |library

Re: slightly OT be my own dyndns provider

2012-05-08 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2012-05-08 08:09, Stuart Henderson wrote: One method is to run your own name server and have a way to update the zone database with your dynamically updated entries.[...] Another option is to use generated zone files [...] Alternatively outsource DNS hosting [...] Or you could do a blend,

Re: slightly OT be my own dyndns provider

2012-05-08 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2012-05-08, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > I dunno how to obtain access to my resolver records. I have registered > with net4india and I dunno > if they will give me access to their master records. They have an > option to create a child NS. One method is to run your own name server and have a

Re: slightly OT be my own dyndns provider

2012-05-08 Thread richo
DNS.he.net is free, dynamic and full access. Girish Venkatachalam wrote: >Dear misc, > >How are you guys doing? > >I have a practical requirement. > >IPv4 address space is fast depleting as you all know and dynamic DNS >RFC2136 is helping us out but... > >I dunno how to obtain access to my resol

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-25 Thread Joseph C. Bender
Henning Brauer wrote: * jmc [2009-03-11 15:05]: so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. if anybody is actually using it, I'd like to hear about it. I'm a little late to this one, but I've been using it for testing VPN

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-24 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:27:48 +0100 "Stephan A. Rickauer" wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 12:14 +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * jmc [2009-03-11 15:05]: > > > so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? > > > > it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. > > if anybody is

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-23 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Stephan A. Rickauer wrote: > On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 12:14 +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: >> * jmc [2009-03-11 15:05]: >> > so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? >> >> it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. >> if anybody is actually us

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-23 Thread Stephan A. Rickauer
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 12:14 +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > * jmc [2009-03-11 15:05]: > > so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? > > it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. > if anybody is actually using it, I'd like to hear about it. Once in a while a re-spot this

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-21 Thread Lars Noodén
Henning Brauer wrote: > * jmc [2009-03-11 15:05]: >> so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? > > it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. > if anybody is actually using it, I'd like to hear about it. PF is one of the main factors for me to use OpenBSD, but since I do

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-21 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:14:44PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > > so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? > > it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. > if anybody is actually using it, I'd like to hear about it. I used it once about two years ago, to simulate a bad

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-21 Thread Henning Brauer
* jmc [2009-03-11 15:05]: > so anyway, how are _you_ using probability? it's high on my list of useless features in pf I'd rather remove. if anybody is actually using it, I'd like to hear about it. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-13 Thread jmc
--- Artur Grabowski [Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 01:13:10PM +0100]: --- > jmc writes: > > > block in log quick on $ext_if from to any probability 90% > > > > is because it seems a little bofh-ly to me. and i guess it borders on > > security-through obscurity, which of course it not really security at

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-13 Thread Artur Grabowski
jmc writes: > block in log quick on $ext_if from to any probability 90% > > is because it seems a little bofh-ly to me. and i guess it borders on > security-through obscurity, which of course it not really security at > all. but it seems a bit more sinister than just outright blocking, which > k

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-11 Thread jmc
--- Jeffrey 'jf' Lim [Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:09:19PM +0800]: --- > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM, jmc wrote: > > i say this might be slightly OT because i am asking more of a > > philosophical question, not a technical one. the excellent documentation > >

Re: might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-11 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:01 PM, jmc wrote: > i say this might be slightly OT because i am asking more of a > philosophical question, not a technical one. the excellent documentation > has given me all i need to know about the probability directive. thanks, > devs, for that. > (

might be slightly OT: `probability in PF'

2009-03-11 Thread jmc
i say this might be slightly OT because i am asking more of a philosophical question, not a technical one. the excellent documentation has given me all i need to know about the probability directive. thanks, devs, for that. quick story: i have a couple dozen websites spread across two OpenBSD

Re: slightly OT

2008-12-07 Thread bofh
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Schvberle Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > With TCP you can probably fill the pipe (not taking into account disk i/o > limits). No local traffic. Basically, sending traffic from the backup system over to DR. The choice is hardware encryptors for shitloa

Re: slightly OT

2008-12-07 Thread Schöberle Dániel
Hi! With TCP you can probably fill the pipe (not taking into account disk i/o limits). Regarding pps - dunno. With em and obsd 100k is easy. From: bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 December 2008 03:33 To: OpenBSD general usage list Subject: slightly OT I&#

slightly OT

2008-12-06 Thread bofh
I'm just asking out of curiousity. Using two relatively modern boxes, gig ethernet and running ipsec, how much bandwidth or pps can such a setup handle? No, not sending 64 byte packets, just normal backup traffic. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk

slightly ot udp multicasting

2008-10-09 Thread Karl Karlsson
Hi, as an admin i have been using udpcast from a linux live-cd heavily for a few years now for multicasting the local disc as an imagefile when deploying multiple machines. Is there any alternative way or tools to do the same in OBSD because udpcast don4t seem to build on OBSD. I am awfully tired o

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-17 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 04:26:27PM -0400, JT Croteau wrote: > This may seem like a simple question but it has been a long time since > I've done any multimedia work on a *nix platform and never on OpenBSD. > I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio > playback from .mp3's

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread Ted Unangst
On 3/16/07, Jeff Quast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/16/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio > playback from .mp3's and cd's and to do some basic recording. What > would be a good PCI based card to go with? ess(4)'s

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 21:26, JT Croteau wrote: > This may seem like a simple question but it has been a long time since > I've done any multimedia work on a *nix platform and never on OpenBSD. > I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio > playback from .mp3's an

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread JT Croteau
On 3/16/07, Tobias Weisserth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Check there first: http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html#hardware Yeah, I am aware of the supported chipsets.. I was looking for a recommendation based on what is supported as I am sure some drivers are better than others. Thanks -- JT Crote

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Quast
On 3/16/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio playback from .mp3's and cd's and to do some basic recording. What would be a good PCI based card to go with? ess(4)'s have always treated me well.

Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread JT Croteau
This may seem like a simple question but it has been a long time since I've done any multimedia work on a *nix platform and never on OpenBSD. I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio playback from .mp3's and cd's and to do some basic recording. What would be a good PCI

Re: Slightly OT: DNS force client to use authoritative

2006-12-19 Thread Philip Guenther
On 12/18/06, Karl R. Balsmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a specific way to set a name server so that clients are always *forced* to use an autoritative name server? UltraDNS and some others have mentioned little features they have, but it hints at the possibility that somewhere in th

Re: Slightly OT: DNS force client to use authoritative

2006-12-19 Thread Brian Candler
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 12:45:19PM -0800, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote: > Is there a specific way to set a name server so that clients are always > *forced* to use an autoritative name server? What exactly do you mean? What are you trying to achieve? The DNS architecture looks like this: applic

Re: Slightly OT: DNS force client to use authoritative

2006-12-18 Thread Rod Dorman
On Monday, December 18, 2006, 15:45:19, Karl R. Balsmeier wrote: > Is there a specific way to set a name server so that clients are > always *forced* to use an autoritative name server? What do you mean by "an authoritative name server"? There is no single name server which is authoritative for

Re: Slightly OT: DNS force client to use authoritative

2006-12-18 Thread Jon Simola
On 12/18/06, Karl R. Balsmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a specific way to set a name server so that clients are always *forced* to use an autoritative name server? Clients can not (or at least, should not) talk directly to authoritative name servers. Clients make their DNS requests

Slightly OT: DNS force client to use authoritative

2006-12-18 Thread Karl R. Balsmeier
Is there a specific way to set a name server so that clients are always *forced* to use an autoritative name server? UltraDNS and some others have mentioned little features they have, but it hints at the possibility that somewhere in the DNS spec. -krb

Re: slightly OT: OpenNTPd on Linux still allows drift

2006-01-09 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 03:45:41PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is probably kind of a long shot, but does anyone use OpenNTPd > on Linux machines? > > I've struggled for what seems like forever trying to get "regular" > NTP to properly sync my clock on my Linux boxes, but have never been

Re: slightly OT: OpenNTPd on Linux still allows drift

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew Rucker Jones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 > Why don't you just figure out what is wrong in the first place? Changing > hammers doesn't change the size of the nail. Sometimes easier said than done. I fought with a problem with ntpd on Linux for days on end multiple times over the course o

Re: slightly OT: OpenNTPd on Linux still allows drift

2006-01-09 Thread eric
On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 15:45:41 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] proclaimed... > I've struggled for what seems like forever trying to get "regular" > NTP to properly sync my clock on my Linux boxes, but have never been > successful. OpenNTPd's goals are perfectly in line with my needs, > so I figured, why

slightly OT: OpenNTPd on Linux still allows drift

2006-01-09 Thread matthew . garman
This is probably kind of a long shot, but does anyone use OpenNTPd on Linux machines? I've struggled for what seems like forever trying to get "regular" NTP to properly sync my clock on my Linux boxes, but have never been successful. OpenNTPd's goals are perfectly in line with my needs, so I figu

RE: Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-17 Thread tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hi, > >Damien Miller wrote: >... >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] djm]$ netstat -sp ip | grep -E >'(bad.*checksum|total packets)' >> 61092730 total packets received >> 0 bad header checksums >> > >wouldn't netstat -sp tcp | grep -E >'(bad.*checksum|total packets)' giv

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-17 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Andreas Bartelt wrote: > Hi, > > Tobias Weingartner wrote: > > On Thursday, November 17, Andreas Bartelt wrote: > > > > > As much better algorithms for error detection are known and PC performance > > > (and also Internet traffic) has increased a lot since the introduction o

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-17 Thread Andreas Bartelt
Hi, Tobias Weingartner wrote: On Thursday, November 17, Andreas Bartelt wrote: As much better algorithms for error detection are known and PC performance (and also Internet traffic) has increased a lot since the introduction of TCP - do you think that the original checksum algorithm is still

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-17 Thread Andreas Bartelt
Hi, Damien Miller wrote: ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] djm]$ netstat -sp ip | grep -E '(bad.*checksum|total packets)' 61092730 total packets received 0 bad header checksums wouldn't netstat -sp tcp | grep -E '(bad.*checksum|total packets)' give the output of interest? (uptime 10 da

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Thursday, November 17, Andreas Bartelt wrote: > > As much better algorithms for error detection are known and PC > performance (and also Internet traffic) has increased a lot since the > introduction of TCP - do you think that the original checksum algorithm > is still the best choice in ter

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread Damien Miller
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Andreas Bartelt wrote: As much better algorithms for error detection are known and PC performance (and also Internet traffic) has increased a lot since the introduction of TCP - do you think that the original checksum algorithm is still the best choice in terms of a reliab

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread chefren
On 11/17/05 00:39, Andreas Bartelt wrote: As much better algorithms for error detection are known What's better? Can those algorithms run with only a few hardware gates at 10Gbit speeds too? > and PC performance (and also Internet traffic) has increased a lot since the introduction of TCP

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread Andreas Bartelt
Hi, Ted Unangst wrote: ... good luck communicating with other tcp devices after you change your checksum to md5. the point is to be fast and catch some errors. also, type end-to-end into google. thanks for the interesting paper. I now understand why it makes sense to use a checksum at lin

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Andreas Bartelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering why such a simple checksum algorithm is implemented in > TCP. I suppose, it's because of the slow CPU performance many years ago. > This algorithm looks so unreliable to me that it even can't protect > against some pretty simple error

Re: slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread Ted Unangst
On 11/16/05, Andreas Bartelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering why such a simple checksum algorithm is implemented in > TCP. I suppose, it's because of the slow CPU performance many years ago. and that's the way the great tcp gods of old said it must be. > In RFC 1122 I've read that th

slightly OT: TCP checksum and RFC conformity

2005-11-16 Thread Andreas Bartelt
Hi all, I was wondering why such a simple checksum algorithm is implemented in TCP. I suppose, it's because of the slow CPU performance many years ago. This algorithm looks so unreliable to me that it even can't protect against some pretty simple errors, which (I suppose) also could occur ran

Re: Slightly OT, but chroot related: Security with mini_sendmail

2005-09-16 Thread Alexander Farber
Hi, dunno about your problem, but you shouldn't make your web pages or programs writtable by the www user. Make them belong to root.bin or root.daemon Regards Alex On 9/16/05, L. V. Lammert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have perms on mini_sendmail set to www,www (same as Apache), .. it's

Slightly OT, but chroot related: Security with mini_sendmail

2005-09-15 Thread L. V. Lammert
It seems like there is a way to call mini_sendmail directly, withought using the local cgi programs - today I started getting bounce messages: Received: from main.domain.net (localhost.domain.net [127.0.0.1]) by main.domain.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id j8ECXCtg017377; Wed, 1

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-07 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 03:46:54PM -0600, Chris Kuethe wrote: > A "make build" takes about 30 hours with nfs mounted object and > source. I have yet to try hitting the microdrive, but with a naive > test (2 instances of dd running in parallel) the microdrive seems to > be good for at least 3.5MB/s

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-01 Thread Richard P. Koett
Can anyone recommend a Zaurus vendor for Canadian buyers? Thx, RPK.

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-01 Thread Marcos Latas
On 6/1/05, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 01 June 2005 12:06 pm, Matthias Kilian wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:39:29PM +0200, Johan M:son Lindman wrote: > > > Yes, it certainly is worth it. > > > Also worth noting is the very fast delivery and excellent service you g

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-01 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:34:32PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > Is there a wim webpage or other contact info? www.kd85.com EU orders (https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order.eu) are also handled by Wim. Ciao, Kili ps: https.openbsd.org seems to have some problems (Internal Server Error)

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Feustel
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 12:06 pm, Matthias Kilian wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:39:29PM +0200, Johan M:son Lindman wrote: > > Yes, it certainly is worth it. > > Also worth noting is the very fast delivery and excellent service you get > > by > > Wim. > > That's true. After Marc's and Chr

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-01 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 03:39:29PM +0200, Johan M:son Lindman wrote: > Yes, it certainly is worth it. > Also worth noting is the very fast delivery and excellent service you get by > Wim. That's true. After Marc's and Chris' allready convinced me, I ordered it this morning, and Wim allready wrote

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-06-01 Thread Johan M:son Lindman
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 23.11, Matthias Kilian wrote: > Hi, > > reading the OpenBSD mailinglists, undeadly.org and several stories > and interviews on kerneltrap.org, I'm increasingly tempted to order > a Zaurus C3000 from Wim. It's really difficult to resist ;-) > > However, I wonder wether this de

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-05-31 Thread Gerardo Santana Gómez Garrido
On 5/31/05, Marc Espie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:11:08PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: > > - Keyboard: it's a little bit small (of course). What's your experience > > using it? > > The keyboard has got an amazing good feel considering its size. Of course, > your mil

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-05-31 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 5/31/05, Matthias Kilian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > reading the OpenBSD mailinglists, undeadly.org and several stories > and interviews on kerneltrap.org, I'm increasingly tempted to order > a Zaurus C3000 from Wim. It's really difficult to resist ;-) They're fun... > However, I won

Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-05-31 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:11:08PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: > - Keyboard: it's a little bit small (of course). What's your experience > using it? The keyboard has got an amazing good feel considering its size. Of course, your mileage may vary, but I find it really nice.

[slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?

2005-05-31 Thread Matthias Kilian
Hi, reading the OpenBSD mailinglists, undeadly.org and several stories and interviews on kerneltrap.org, I'm increasingly tempted to order a Zaurus C3000 from Wim. It's really difficult to resist ;-) However, I wonder wether this device *really* worth 800 bucks. So, here are some questions (all