Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-14 Thread dormando
(sorry for screwing up the thread; I'm on the daily digest list. Please CC responses to me as well). Hey, I have two machines who are recent, high end, PCI-Express, single CPU dualcore, but unfortunately one's AMD, one's Intel, and I can't find the actual specs as of this moment. I purchased

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Henning Brauer
* Florin Andrei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-14 02:04]: > Henning Brauer wrote: > > > >Now I am back in Hamburg and would like to continue that work. There > >is quite a lot more performance to gain, but I need to be able to measure, > >profile etc. For that I need two (preferably identical) 1u r

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Henning Brauer
* Martin Schrvder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-14 01:24]: > 2007/6/13, Matt Olander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >Where is Henning located? Shipping free stuff out of country is sometimes a > >pain and takes longer. > > Hamburg, Germany. > > Henning, is DENIC still using OpenBGPD? DECIX, yes, but they

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Henning Brauer wrote: > > > > Now I am back in Hamburg and would like to continue that work. There > > is quite a lot more performance to gain, but I need to be able to measure, > > profile etc. For that I need two (preferably identical) 1u rackmount, > > very fast single-CPU machines here in

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Razmus
* Florin Andrei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070613 20:02]: > Henning Brauer wrote: > > > >Now I am back in Hamburg and would like to continue that work. There > >is quite a lot more performance to gain, but I need to be able to measure, > >profile etc. For that I need two (preferably identical) 1u rackm

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Florin Andrei
Henning Brauer wrote: Now I am back in Hamburg and would like to continue that work. There is quite a lot more performance to gain, but I need to be able to measure, profile etc. For that I need two (preferably identical) 1u rackmount, very fast single-CPU machines here in Hamburg, asap, sinc

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/6/13, Matt Olander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Where is Henning located? Shipping free stuff out of country is sometimes a pain and takes longer. Hamburg, Germany. Henning, is DENIC still using OpenBGPD? Best Martin

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Matt Olander
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 10:26 am, Jason Dixon wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:02:42 -0600, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 6/13/07, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > very fast single-CPU machines here in Hamburg, asap, since I have some > >> > time for such develop

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Eric Furman
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:01:47 -0600, "Theo de Raadt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Oh, a directed spam campaign. perfect. that will endear us to our > > > users. Please return to marketing school from whence you came, and > > > think > > > before you suggest such things. > > > > A open sourc

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Jason Dixon wrote: I'm probably going to lose a friend over this, but I'd like to challenge iXsystems to step up and donate a couple systems for this purpose. It would benefit everyone for you guys to donate the hardware to further optimize PF. We all know that PF has be

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Bob Beck
> Or maybe we need 20 more people like Jason Dixon, to make an appeal to a > company where they have contacts, where the message will at least be > read. That's directly targetted, and therefore more meaningful, and I > think has a higher chance of success. > > Anyone out there know companies usin

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 6/13/07, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree. I sent two Bluetooth cards and $100 cc donation in the past twelvemonth. right, but it's a $100 per suggestion per email. by my count you're $400 in the hole (-:

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:07:45PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Your point however that it takes work is a justified point. You've > got a www@ responsponsible party. Maybe an appeals@ responsible > party to make webbage, write surveys, and spawn begging campaigns? Or maybe we need 20 more peopl

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > All fundraising suggestions should be written on the back of a $100 > > bill > > and sent to Theo. > > I agree. I sent two Bluetooth cards and $100 cc donation in the past > twelvemonth. Yes, such small contributions help a lot -- in the places where individuals can help. But when big thin

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > No campaign will fix that. > > I dunno, marketing seems to work sometimes. You plain don't get it! You want us to do MORE. We don't want to do more. Keep suggesting it, and I promise we'll do LESS.

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Will H. Backman wrote: > All fundraising suggestions should be written on the back of a $100 > bill > and sent to Theo. I agree. I sent two Bluetooth cards and $100 cc donation in the past twelvemonth. -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute Performance

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Jun 13, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > No campaign will fix that. I dunno, marketing seems to work sometimes. Maybe it can never work *for OpenBSD*, because when some CIO or MIS manager hits the list to ask a question they get roasted by the fachidiot of the day. End of corporate do

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > Oh, a directed spam campaign. perfect. that will endear us to our > > users. Please return to marketing school from whence you came, and > > think > > before you suggest such things. > > A open source entity asking for donations from commercial entities > with whom they already > have

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Greg Thomas
On 6/13/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These performance enhancements will not affect regular private users, but will be of particular benefit to companies who use our software in larger installs. Companies should stand up when such requests are made, or they and their employees s

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jim Razmus
* Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070613 13:27]: > On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > >However I wish there were some large companies out there using and > >relying in pf, who could just decide (right now) > > Suggestion for tapping the Large Company resource for OpenBSD: >

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Will H. Backman
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theo de Raadt Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM To: Jack J. Woehr Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work > On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Theo de Ra

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Bob Beck wrote: > > Oh, a directed spam campaign. perfect. that will endear us to our > users. Please return to marketing school from whence you came, and > think > before you suggest such things. A open source entity asking for donations from commercial ent

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Bob Beck
>3) Use info garnered through survey to > a) craft appeals on website Don't need a survey for this. we have a pretty good idea what biggies are using it. > b) create email appeals to self-identified users in correct > classes. Oh, a directed spam ca

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > However I wish there were some large companies out there using and > > relying in pf, who could just decide (right now) > > Suggestion for tapping the Large Company resource for OpenBSD: > > 1) Create an OpenBSD User Survey > a

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:02:42 -0600, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 6/13/07, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > very fast single-CPU machines here in Hamburg, asap, since I have some >> > time for such development right now. If you can help, please drop > deraadt@ >> > an

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: However I wish there were some large companies out there using and relying in pf, who could just decide (right now) Suggestion for tapping the Large Company resource for OpenBSD: 1) Create an OpenBSD User Survey a) should include question

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On 6/13/07, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > very fast single-CPU machines here in Hamburg, asap, since I have some > > time for such development right now. If you can help, please drop deraadt@ > > and me an email. > > Got me a t-shirt, a 4.1 CD set, and $100 to you. Thanks a lot.

Re: hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread bofh
On 6/13/07, Henning Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: very fast single-CPU machines here in Hamburg, asap, since I have some time for such development right now. If you can help, please drop deraadt@ and me an email. Got me a t-shirt, a 4.1 CD set, and $100 to you. -- "This officer's men seem

hardware needed for network stack performance work

2007-06-13 Thread Henning Brauer
As some of you might have noticed, I worked on network stack and especially pf performance in calgary. This lead to quite massive improvements - one diff in particular doubled pf performance in our test scenario; undeadly covered that: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070528213858