Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-21 Thread David Walker
Hey. On 21/09/2011, Rod Whitworth wrote: > It need not be spoofed. > If you use authpf whilst your are on a LAN that is NATted (very common) > everyone on that LAN will be able to access your remote host. Nice one. On 21/09/2011, ropers wrote: > The way I understood David's concern (please cor

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-20 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:38:28 +0200, ropers wrote: >1. Legit user authenticates with authpf. >2. After authentication, PF (if thusly configured) just allows that IP >full access to various and sundry services it otherwise blocks. >3. While the legit user remains authenticated, an intruder who ma

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-20 Thread ropers
>> Nick Holland wrote: >>> Your risks with wireless: >>> * Unauthorized use to access Internet >>> -> use AuthPF so that you have to ssh authenticate to use the >>> gateway. > David Walker wrote: >> Yep. Too good to be true but it won't stop a persistent script kiddie >> from spoofing thoug

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-20 Thread ropers
On 21 September 2011 00:59, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > ropers writes: > >> Is this (still) true/required? (Why?) >> Or is it complete nonsense? > > If intense development was happening in that area at the time, it may > have made sense. But it's been some years and it's almost certainly no >

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-20 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
ropers writes: > Is this (still) true/required? (Why?) > Or is it complete nonsense? If intense development was happening in that area at the time, it may have made sense. But it's been some years and it's almost certainly no longer relevant. - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first R

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-20 Thread ropers
On 9 September 2011 15:13, David Walker wrote: > I have some idea IPsec might be useful so I do a search and this comes > up (first cab off the rank) ... > http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/zero-ipsec-4-minutes >From that (apparently old) article: > Note that if you follow the CVS builds

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-11 Thread David Walker
Hi Stuart. Stuart Henderson > iked doesn't handle retransmitting dropped ike packets yet, so it's not a > great choice for wireless. isakmpd should be fine though. I read through ISAKMPD and IKED and noticed this: iked is not yet finished and is missing some important security features.

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-11 Thread David Walker
Hi Marian. On 10/09/2011, Marian Hettwer wrote: > I'd say SSH tunnels are still in. Cool. > No. IP spoofing won't help them script kiddy at all. > To successfully authenticate via authpf, you need a valid ip adress for > responses. > With a fake source ip, the script kiddy won't even get a full

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-09-09, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Stuart Henderson wrote: > >> laptop: >> ike dynamic esp from egress to 0.0.0.0/0 peer 11.22.33.44 >> >> router: >> ike passive esp from any to any >> >> possible complications:- >> >> - if you will be communicating with other machines in the same su

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Stuart Henderson wrote: > laptop: > ike dynamic esp from egress to 0.0.0.0/0 peer 11.22.33.44 > > router: > ike passive esp from any to any > > possible complications:- > > - if you will be communicating with other machines in the same subnet, > they will send return traffic directly rather th

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-09-09, David Walker wrote: > I have some idea IPsec might be useful so I do a search and this comes > up (first cab off the rank) ... > http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/zero-ipsec-4-minutes > ... it's specifically about OpenBSD and it looks pretty easy. > > So I go to the ipsec(4)

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Alec Taylor
ess gear to pass UDP 1194. If > you are interested, I have OpenVPN config files to share because it is the > solution I use for wireless security. > > > > To: > misc@openbsd.org > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 2:33 AM > Subject: Secu

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Matt S
bject: Security over wireless. Hi. I'm using some old gear that doesn't support WPA or better (WEP only). Until I get around to that what are my options security wise? Here's the machines: inet <-> OpenBSD <-> CPE AP <-> USB <-> OpenBSD <-> desktops The AP

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Marian Hettwer
Hi David, On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:45:52 +0930, David Walker wrote: > Nick Holland >> define "security" :) > > I'm guessing that TLS is out and that IPsec might be in on that criteria. > Is SSH out there too? > I'd say SSH tunnels are still in. >> Your risks with wireless: >> * Unauthorized use

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread David Walker
I have some idea IPsec might be useful so I do a search and this comes up (first cab off the rank) ... http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/zero-ipsec-4-minutes ... it's specifically about OpenBSD and it looks pretty easy. So I go to the ipsec(4) man page and see this ... If we apply ESP

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread David Walker
Nick Holland > define "security" :) Ouch. I like Bruce Schneier's cynicism ... As long as I feel secure right? Encryption to some standard (yet to be determined). At a minimum packet contents but headers would be great. I'm a fair bit out of my depth but if I can encapsulate endpoint IP addresse

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread David Walker
Thank you Thomas. On 09/09/2011, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/authpf.html At first glance that looks really cool (well it still looks cool) but I'm not sure it's what I'm after. As far as I can tell the authentication is secure and ties a ruleset to an IP but from then on

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Nick Holland
On 09/09/11 05:33, David Walker wrote: > Hi. > > I'm using some old gear that doesn't support WPA or better (WEP only). > Until I get around to that what are my options security wise? define "security" :) > > Here's the machines: > > inet <-> OpenBSD <-> CPE AP <-> USB <-> OpenBSD <-> desktops

Re: Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:33 AM, David Walker wrote: > Hi. > > I'm using some old gear that doesn't support WPA or better (WEP only). > Until I get around to that what are my options security wise? > > Here's the machines: > > inet <-> OpenBSD <-> CPE AP <-> USB <-> OpenBSD <-> desktops > > The AP

Security over wireless.

2011-09-09 Thread David Walker
Hi. I'm using some old gear that doesn't support WPA or better (WEP only). Until I get around to that what are my options security wise? Here's the machines: inet <-> OpenBSD <-> CPE AP <-> USB <-> OpenBSD <-> desktops The AP is some Cisco or something. Like those WRT54s and whatnot. I notice i