The main difference between commercial and FOSS is you only get
security updates for the actual OS and very few new features which you
have to pay for and will break your system without spending time to go
from XP > VISTA > Win7 etc.. It will break if you switch hardware too.
You can't get IE 9 wit
On 23-May-2012, at 3:35 AM, Kenneth R Westerback
wrote:
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:00:55PM -0400, Jiri B wrote:
>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:01:59PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
>>> There are various automated install tools out there too, but not
>>> (yet) officially part of the release.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:00:55PM -0400, Jiri B wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:01:59PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
> > There are various automated install tools out there too, but not
> > (yet) officially part of the release.
>
> Does it mean something is being prepared?
>
> If so, c
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:01:59PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
> There are various automated install tools out there too, but not
> (yet) officially part of the release.
Does it mean something is being prepared?
If so, can that be xml based like autoyast? LOL :
jirib
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
> asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
> to me.
>
> I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
> option, bu
On 2012-05-22, Alan Corey wrote:
> Dump/restore can work remarkably like Symantek/Norton Ghost in this
> situation. Get one machine as flawless as possible, then do a dump onto a
> spare hard drive. Burn it to a DVD if you like. Then restore onto your
> target machines.
I would advise again
On 2012-05-22, Richards, Toby wrote:
> Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major releases, such as php 5.2.x => 5.3.x?
> When I upgraded OpenBSD 4.9 => 5.0, there was a huge issue because
> it supported both PHP 5.2.x AND 5.3.x. I'd have loved to seamlessly
> upgraded to 5.3.x, but the support of bot
misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On 21.05.2012 23:55, Mehma Sarja wrote:
> On 5/21/12 9:34 PM, Matthew Weigel wrote:
>> On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
>>>
>>> Granted: I do hold an MCSE certification, but I don't need it.
>&g
On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:59:28 -0500, Matthew Weigel
wrote:
To be clear, they are probably different people; it just amused me.
Conspiracy Theory: He called it MicroEvil so when you Google his name and
Microsoft an OpenBSD thread doesn't show up which is not really going to
look so good t
in any way. With all these replies, I suppose
I've got my answer and then some.
-Toby
-Original Message-
From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of
Weldon Goree
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:38 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading Open
On 21.05.2012 23:55, Mehma Sarja wrote:
On 5/21/12 9:34 PM, Matthew Weigel wrote:
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Granted: I do hold an MCSE certification, but I don't need it.
The upgrade just works. Well... despite occasional BSOD's ;)
I admit this kind of made me chuckle:
http:
-Ursprungligt meddelande-
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Skickat: den 22 maj 2012 07:50
Till: Richards, Toby; OpenBSD Misc
Dmne: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012, at 06:43 PM, Richards, Toby wrote:
> While my question involves ot
Network Administrator
> Superior Court of California
> In and for the County of San Luis Obispo
> (805) 781-4150
>
> From: Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41 PM
> To: Richards, Toby
> Cc: Mike Erdely; mis
On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 20:46 -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> With BSD I must rely on the
> package system.
Funny, all this time I thought OpenBSD came with a compiler...
WMG
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 08:45:56PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> Okay, let's compare upgrading OpenBSD 4.9 + Nginx + PHP 5.2.x to
> OpenBSD 5.0 + Nginx + PHP 5.3.x vice upgrading
> Windows 2003 + IIS 6 + ASPDotNet 3.5 to Windows 2008 +
> IIS 7.0 + ASPDotNet 4.0.
>
> In my experience, the MicroEvi
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 07:20:14PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major releases, such as php 5.2.x => 5.3.x?
> When I upgraded OpenBSD 4.9 => 5.0, there was a huge issue because
> it supported both PHP 5.2.x AND 5.3.x. I'd have loved to seamlessly
> upgraded to 5.3
On Mon, May 21, 2012, at 06:43 PM, Richards, Toby wrote:
> While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
>
> Respectfully Submitted,
Why do trolls always sign off this way? :)
Or they open with,"I don't want to start a fight, but...".
2012/5/22 Richards, Toby :
> Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS
> PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it
> from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the
> package system.
Or you download it and compile it yourself, so the word "must" up
there is clearly false unless you have someo
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Richards, Toby
wrote:
> While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
> asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
> to me.
>
> I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
> option, but does it
__
> From: Kenneth R Westerback [kwesterb...@rogers.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:01 PM
> To: Richards, Toby
> Cc: misc@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> > While my question invol
On 5/21/12 9:34 PM, Matthew Weigel wrote:
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Granted: I do hold an MCSE certification, but I don't need it.
The upgrade just works. Well... despite occasional BSOD's ;)
I admit this kind of made me chuckle:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/toby-richards/37/7
> Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS
> PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it
> from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the
> package system.
That is balony.
On OpenBSD, you get PHP yourself, too.
PHP is not part of OpenBSD.
The package tree is a convenience. If you expect u
On 21.05.2012 22:45, Richards, Toby wrote:
Okay, let's compare upgrading OpenBSD 4.9 + Nginx + PHP 5.2.x to
OpenBSD 5.0 + Nginx + PHP 5.3.x vice upgrading
Windows 2003 + IIS 6 + ASPDotNet 3.5 to Windows 2008 +
IIS 7.0 + ASPDotNet 4.0.
In my experience, the MicroEvil Upgrade works without breakin
>Outstanding point. The thing is this: With MS
>PHP is clearly distinct from the OS. I go get it
>from php.org. With BSD I must rely on the
>package system.
This is taking up a lot of ink; is this a genuine enquiry or a provocation?
Search for "Extraneous entries for Visual C++ Standard hotfixes"
-4150
From: Ted Unangst [t...@tedunangst.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41 PM
To: Richards, Toby
Cc: Mike Erdely; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 19:20, Richards, Toby wrote:
> Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between ma
th R Westerback [kwesterb...@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:01 PM
To: Richards, Toby
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
> asking t
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 19:20, Richards, Toby wrote:
> Will pkg_add -ui upgrade between major releases, such as php 5.2.x => 5.3.x?
> When I upgraded OpenBSD 4.9 => 5.0, there was a huge issue because
> it supported both PHP 5.2.x AND 5.3.x. I'd have loved to seamlessly
> upgraded to 5.3.x, but the
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
> asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
> to me.
>
> I've got about 50 servers to manage. OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
> option, bu
Dump/restore can work remarkably like Symantek/Norton Ghost in this
situation. Get one machine as flawless as possible, then do a dump onto a
spare hard drive. Burn it to a DVD if you like. Then restore onto your
target machines.
You may have to fiddle with installboot to make the clones bo
; Respectfully Submitted,
> R. Toby Richards
> Network Administrator
> Superior Court of California
> In and for the County of San Luis Obispo
> (805) 781-4150
>
> From: Mike Erdely [m...@erdelynet.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:05 PM
&
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:43:19PM -0700, Richards, Toby wrote:
> The two major commercial operating systems (considered to be evil by
> the FOSS community) easily upgrade from one version to the next. That's
> important in a real-life production environment. In 2001, I upgraded
> 200 workstations
> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
> > wrote:
> >> OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
> >> option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
> >
> > pkg_add -ui
>
> Even more relevant: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade51.html
>
> Interestingly, when I upgrade a Windows machine, the
On May 21, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Mike Erdely wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
> wrote:
>> OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
>> option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
>
> pkg_add -ui
Even more relevant: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade51.html
Interestingly, when I
Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenBSD
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
wrote:
> OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
> option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
pkg_add -
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Richards, Toby
wrote:
> OpenBSD does have an Upgrade
> option, but does it upgrade the installed packages?
pkg_add -ui
In freebsd you could use portupgrade or portmaster; I dont know what the
openbsd options are.
On May 21, 2012 6:48 PM, "Richards, Toby"
wrote:
> While my question involves other BSD's as well as Linux systems, I am
> asking this here because OpenBSD's philosophy is the most attractive
> to me.
>
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