Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread Nick Holland
On 10/02/11 17:27, ropers wrote: > On 2 October 2011 18:57, Nick Holland wrote: ... >> A lot of us in the open source world do a lot with "recycled" computers >> -- computers that have lived out their first life cycle, and now being >> used for less demanding applications (i.e., non-windows). Thi

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread ropers
On 2 October 2011 21:57, Dave Anderson wrote: > In the absence of biasing factors I think you're right, but AFAICT what > some people are concerned about is Microsoft _requiring_ vendors to lock > down the boot process in this way in order to put a 'Windows 8 approved' > (or whatever exactly it is

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread ropers
On 2 October 2011 18:57, Nick Holland wrote: > If they got your money and you are complaining about something > you KNEW was the case at the time of purchase (or you didn't return the > machine when you found out the "limitation") That's why manufacturers of restrictive, DRM-ridden hardware try t

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread Dave Anderson
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011, Nick Holland wrote: >On 10/02/11 11:32, Matt S wrote: >> That was my concern exactly. That I would be unable to put the OS of my >> choice on hardware that I bought. This is precisely why I don't own an iPad >> or iPhone - I want ownership of what I bought. > >And that there

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread Nick Holland
On 10/02/11 11:32, Matt S wrote: > That was my concern exactly. That I would be unable to put the OS of my > choice on hardware that I bought. This is precisely why I don't own an iPad > or iPhone - I want ownership of what I bought. And that there is the answer. Complain all you want, if you s

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread Matt S
n for those that want to use Windows 8? To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 5:26 AM Subject: Re: UEFI BIOS What some fear is that some Microsoft OEM partner do a lazy job with a minimal UEFI interface without the possibility to disable secure boot. In

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-02 Thread Michel Blais
What some fear is that some Microsoft OEM partner do a lazy job with a minimal UEFI interface without the possibility to disable secure boot. In that case, if secure boot block unsigned os at boot, it would be impossible to install other os than Windows 8. I have too often see BIOS missing lot

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-01 Thread Barbier, Jason
Yeah, honestly Microsoft has even said already, there will be no nagging the only feature you lose by not using secured booting is the swift boot. if you flip secured UEFI off it just makes windows 8 go into standard boot. fear mongering is not needed, and in the end if a secured boot loader is ne

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-01 Thread john slee
On 2 October 2011 08:03, LeviaComm Networks wrote: > First off, the UEFI boot will *not* prevent other OS's from booting, it will > only pop up a message saying that the boot process was not secure, just like > how you can run unsigned code and it will only pop up a box stating as much. > It woul

Re: UEFI BIOS

2011-10-01 Thread LeviaComm Networks
On 01-Oct-11 13:40, Matt S wrote: Has anyone been following Microsoft's recent attempts to muscle OEMs into using the secureboot feature of UEFI or is this just a load of media hot air? Are there any plans for OpenBSD to support UEFI? Thanks First off, the UEFI boot will *not* prevent other