Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-08 Thread Rupert Gallagher
https://store.steoil.com/mineral-oil-pc-kit/ Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 18:42, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > They still need air, and you give it to them. We sub the server on liquid... > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 14:09, Kevin Chadwick > wrote: > O

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-08 Thread Rupert Gallagher
They still need air, and you give it to them. We sub the server on liquid... Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 14:09, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 07:26:09 -0500 > I think you mean those round things with > moving heads in a chassis > with a breathing hole. No,

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-08 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 07:26:09 -0500 > I think you mean those round things with moving heads in a chassis > with a breathing hole. No, they are not resilient to our environment. I doubt that, we used to put them in police cars and they were fine. We did get special ones at three times the price an

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-08 Thread Rupert Gallagher
I think you mean those round things with moving heads in a chassis with a breathing hole. No, they are not resilient to our environment. Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 12:03, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 03:07:14 -0500 > - UFS2 on FreeBSD supports TRIM. > -

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-08 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 03:07:14 -0500 > - UFS2 on FreeBSD supports TRIM. > - OpenBSD supports UFS2. > > Is anybody using UFS2 with TRIM on OpenBSD? Have you considered using a high speed HDD or RAID. From the little information given, your performance requirements don't seem to be that high?

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-08 Thread Rupert Gallagher
- UFS2 on FreeBSD supports TRIM. - OpenBSD supports UFS2. Is anybody using UFS2 with TRIM on OpenBSD? Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 08:26, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > A production obsd is serving 50GB worth of NFS shares and hourly backups on > two ssds since August, and is

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 09:38:02 +0100 Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 03:15:57AM -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > | I know well that article, because it is several years old with no > updates. | > | Those working on ffs should do what they are supposed to do. Lack of > | money? Setup

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Theo de Raadt
>On 2017-12-06, ti...@openmailbox.org wrote: > >> If TRIM would be implemented someday, one thing that would be >> neat would be that crypto and other softraid would propagate the >> TRIM. That would be a nice combination between wear level resiliency >> and disk data safety. > >That runs counter

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Rupert Gallagher
Support of TRIM by ... NetBSD, since 2012 Dragonfly BSD, since 2011 FreeBSD, since 2010 Linux, since 2008 OpenBSD, no. Why? Because no. But why? Because no. Just no. We like to say no. No, no, no. Ha ha, no! Rise funds and do it! No. But why? Because no. Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On T

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 09:31:40PM -, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2017-12-06, ti...@openmailbox.org wrote: > > > If TRIM would be implemented someday, one thing that would be > > neat would be that crypto and other softraid would propagate the > > TRIM. That would be a nice combination b

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2017-12-06, ti...@openmailbox.org wrote: > If TRIM would be implemented someday, one thing that would be > neat would be that crypto and other softraid would propagate the > TRIM. That would be a nice combination between wear level resiliency > and disk data safety. That runs counter to popul

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Paulm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 03:15:57AM -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > I know well that article, because it is several years old with no updates. > > Those working on ffs should do what they are supposed to do. Lack of > money? Setup a stickers sale or a kickstarter, get the money and just > fucking

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Florian Obser
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 08:15:57AM +, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > I know well that article, because it is several years old with no updates. > > Those working on ffs should do what they are supposed to do. Lack of money? > Setup a stickers sale or a kickstarter, get the money and just fucking d

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 03:15:57AM -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: | I know well that article, because it is several years old with no updates. | | Those working on ffs should do what they are supposed to do. Lack of | money? Setup a stickers sale or a kickstarter, get the money and | just fucking

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-06 Thread Rupert Gallagher
I know well that article, because it is several years old with no updates. Those working on ffs should do what they are supposed to do. Lack of money? Setup a stickers sale or a kickstarter, get the money and just fucking do it. Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 00:25, Mike Bur

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-05 Thread tinkr
> On 2017-12-05 17.26.27 -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: >> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > When you implement the patch that adds TRIM you might want to build off > the work already done and lessons learned. I only spent a few seconds > searching so you might find more: > > https://www.tedunangst

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-05 Thread Mike Burns
On 2017-12-05 17.26.27 -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile When you implement the patch that adds TRIM you might want to build off the work already done and lessons learned. I only spent a few seconds searching so you might find more: https://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-05 Thread Rupert Gallagher
Why? Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 16:29, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:26:43AM -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > A > production obsd is serving 50GB worth of NFS shares and hourly backups on two > ssds since August, and is still going

Re: TRIM on SSD

2017-12-05 Thread Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:26:43AM -0500, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > A production obsd is serving 50GB worth of NFS shares and hourly backups on > two ssds since August, and is still going strong at 550MBps over measured > 550--950Mbps LAN links. The same boots and runs the OS from a pSLC SD with