Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-27 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023/11/26 11:36, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 01:52:22PM -, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2023-11-24, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > > > At the end of last year, I did a comprehensive write-up about using > > > blu-ray > > > recordable on OpenBSD, and as part of that I checke

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-26 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 04:36:43PM -0500, Geoff Steckel wrote: > On 2023-11-24, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > >>At the end of last year, I did a comprehensive write-up about using blu-ray > >>recordable on OpenBSD, and as part of that I checked around 100 BD-R discs > >>that had been written about 10 ye

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-26 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 2023-11-24, Crystal Kolipe wrote: At the end of last year, I did a comprehensive write-up about using blu-ray recordable on OpenBSD, and as part of that I checked around 100 BD-R discs that had been written about 10 years previously and verified as good at the time. Ten years laster, I found

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-26 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 11/26/23 08:52, Stuart Henderson wrote: Anyone know whether USB BD-R drives are likely to work on OpenBSD? I've used several. XD08UMB-S works for reading - haven't tried writing yet. Earlier ones worked for reading and writing

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-26 Thread Nowarez Market
Crystal Kolipe wrote: > The one Asus drive I tested had a few quirks, BTW, so I wouldn't be > inclined to invest in one of those. Here an Asus player too..

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-26 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 01:52:22PM -, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2023-11-24, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > > At the end of last year, I did a comprehensive write-up about using blu-ray > > recordable on OpenBSD, and as part of that I checked around 100 BD-R discs > > that had been written about 10

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-26 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-11-24, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > At the end of last year, I did a comprehensive write-up about using blu-ray > recordable on OpenBSD, and as part of that I checked around 100 BD-R discs > that had been written about 10 years previously and verified as good at the > time. Ten years laster, I

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-25 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2023-11-24, Stephen Wiley wrote: > I was messing with blueray a couple years ago for archiving. Last I checked > it's pretty marginal in terms of cost when compared with SSDs. SSDs are absolutely not suitable for long term archival. They need to be kept powered to avoid losing data over the me

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-24 Thread Mihai Popescu
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Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-24 Thread deich...@placebonol.com
On November 24, 2023 2:48:06 PM MST, Crystal Kolipe wrote: >On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 04:01:11PM -0500, Stephen Wiley wrote: >> I was messing with blueray a couple years ago for archiving. Last I checked >> it's pretty marginal in terms of cost when compared with SSDs. > >Archiving to SSD? You

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-24 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 04:01:11PM -0500, Stephen Wiley wrote: > I was messing with blueray a couple years ago for archiving. Last I checked > it's pretty marginal in terms of cost when compared with SSDs. Archiving to SSD? You can't be serious. I've seen more spurious unreported bit flips from

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-24 Thread Stephen Wiley
I was messing with blueray a couple years ago for archiving. Last I checked it's pretty marginal in terms of cost when compared with SSDs. It's just hard to compete with the progress everyone's been making with semiconductor manufacturing. I don't think the larger capacity disks I bought are all th

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-24 Thread tetrosalame
Il 22/11/2023 04:16, i...@tutanota.com ha scritto: Ever since I read a post on @misc from Nick Holland to someone asking about running a large filesystem on OpenBSD, in which Nick wrote: [...] Then for every important big file use something like par2cmdline to create parity data. [...] Of

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-23 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 08:32:20AM +1000, Stuart Longland VK4MSL wrote: > On 22/11/23 18:25, Crystal Kolipe wrote: > >1. Once data is no longer "work in progress", archive it to write-only > >media and take it out of the regular backup loop. In most cases this > >drastically reduces the vo

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-23 Thread Stuart Longland VK4MSL
On 22/11/23 18:25, Crystal Kolipe wrote: 1. Once data is no longer "work in progress", archive it to write-only media and take it out of the regular backup loop. In most cases this drastically reduces the volume of data you need to manage. Feel free to keep a local on-line copy on a

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-23 Thread Nowarez Market
Geoff Steckel : > Of course, there's one storage medium verified to last for centuries. > Good ink on rag paper stored dry. Papyrus is good for millenia. > Not entirely a joke. This needs any bullet-proof..

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-23 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 11/22/23 20:31, j...@bitminer.ca wrote For long-term storage, you have other risks to manage, not the simple technical risk of "will my portable-USB disk be readable in 2038?". Interfaces die - IDE interface cards? Even if you have one the ISA bus might not be available. Parallel SCSI, para

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread j
And speaking from experience, it's _much_ more reliable than DVD-R or CD-R as long as the discs are correctly written in the first place. For long-term storage, you have other risks to manage, not the simple technical risk of "will my portable-USB disk be readable in 2038?". If you are a ho

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 08:23:40PM +0100, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > > Once data is no longer "work in progress", archive it to write-only > > media and take it out of the regular backup loop. > > What kind of write-only media do you use/recommend? It depends on quite a few factors including the

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread iio7
> Once data is no longer "work in progress", archive it to write-only > media and take it out of the regular backup loop. What kind of write-only media do you use/recommend?

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread Stefan Kreutz
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 09:49:53AM +0100, Maja Reberc wrote: > Does anyone recommend FAT32-formatted 1 TB external HDDs for > OS-portable backups (using archive splitting to bypass the 4 GB limit)? > I've heard FAT32 is very inefficient with big partitions. I currently > have a mess of ext4 for Lin

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread Maja Reberc
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:47:11 -0300 Crystal Kolipe wrote: > I don't want to encourage people to just copy and paste some random > scripts that were written to meet our needs but most likely don't > exactly meet theirs. > > But as a _starting point for writing your own_, the following script > wil

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 09:49:53AM +0100, Maja Reberc wrote: > Would you mind sharing the scripts you mentioned for us newbies? I don't want to encourage people to just copy and paste some random scripts that were written to meet our needs but most likely don't exactly meet theirs. But as a _star

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread Maja Reberc
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:25:22 -0300 Crystal Kolipe wrote: > We have been doing "something similar", in fact much simpler, on > OpenBSD and other unix-like systems for > 25 years. > > It's trivially simple to protect your data, and you along with > 99.999% of other people seem to be over thinking i

Re: OpenBSD alternative setup to ZFS on Linux or FreeBSD

2023-11-22 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 04:16:00AM +0100, i...@tutanota.com wrote: > Running disks in RAID1 or RAID5 (pick your poison) with softraid. > > Then for every important big file use something like par2cmdline to > create parity data. > > par2cmdline can be used to verify and re-create files. > > I wo