Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Raimundo Santos
Sorry, replied to fast and to OP only. Below is one use case and a lot o things that Henning have said, put from my point of view. -- Forwarded message -- From: Raimundo Santos Date: 14 October 2014 15:02 Subject: Re: NetMap in OpenBSD To: Mikael On 14 October 2014 11:33

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Henning Brauer [2014-10-14 20:52]: > netmap is luigi's research framework, and he used it for some cool > research an sure will do so more in the future. no more, no less. I should clarify: I am aware of a few use cases that profit enormously from netmap. Let's look at what netmap really is, p

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Mikael [2014-10-14 16:35]: > 2014-10-14 16:15 GMT+02:00 Henning Brauer : > > > i.e. there's no way for a userland application to do high speed > > > packet-level IO. > > there are plenty of methods actually. > Like what? bpf, for example. but since you still don't mention what problem you're t

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Jan Stary
On Oct 14 16:33:23, mikael.tr...@gmail.com wrote: > Most devices in a system can be accessed with good performance from > userland as it is now, for instance block devices, USB, serial ports, video > and audio. Repeat after me: userland is not supposed to "access devices". It is supposed to talk t

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Mikael
2014-10-14 16:15 GMT+02:00 Henning Brauer : > > Of course, OBSD has a very good stack as it is, but it has no NetMap > > functionality > > yeah, and that is good. netmap bypasses teh stack and you look at > reimplementing the stack in userland, repeating mistakes, bugs and > whatnot from many deca

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Mikael [2014-10-14 14:57]: > 2014-10-14 11:02 GMT+02:00 Henning Brauer : > > > * Mikael [2014-10-14 10:24]: > > > NetMap (http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/netmap/) in OpenBSD would be a > > > great idea. > > We kinda like our stack. > Of course, OBSD has a very good stack as it is, but it has n

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread sven falempin
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Mikael wrote: > Dear Henning, > > Thank you for your thoughtful response. > > 2014-10-14 11:02 GMT+02:00 Henning Brauer : > > > * Mikael [2014-10-14 10:24]: > > > NetMap (http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/netmap/) in OpenBSD would be a > > > great idea. > > > > > W

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Mikael
Dear Henning, Thank you for your thoughtful response. 2014-10-14 11:02 GMT+02:00 Henning Brauer : > * Mikael [2014-10-14 10:24]: > > NetMap (http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/netmap/) in OpenBSD would be a > > great idea. > We kinda like our stack. > Of course, OBSD has a very good stack as it

Re: NetMap in OpenBSD

2014-10-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Mikael [2014-10-14 10:24]: > NetMap (http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/netmap/) in OpenBSD would be a > great idea. for what? to create even more broken userland networking stuff? We kinda like our stack. > What's the interest out there for NetMap on OBSD? roughly somewhere between 0 and zero.