Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2020-04-12, Allan Streib wrote: > Patrick Harper writes: > >> My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. > > Not strictly true. Depends on your needs, and tolerance for things not > always working perfectly. Things *should* work just as well in -current as -stabl

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:18:13PM +0100, Patrick Harper wrote: > My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. On the contrary. Or at least: for testing, BY usage! Cheers, Erling > -- > Patrick Harper > paia...@fastmail.com > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 21:38, Kev

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Allan Streib
Patrick Harper writes: > My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. Not strictly true. Depends on your needs, and tolerance for things not always working perfectly. Allan

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Patrick Harper
I'm puzzled that you thought my statements were a complaint. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 22:30, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Patrick Harper wrote: > > > I mean that all Chromium releases are made available for OpenBSD-stable > > (excluding the previous release

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Patrick Harper wrote: > I mean that all Chromium releases are made available for OpenBSD-stable > (excluding the previous release at any given time, as with all existing port > maintenance). So you want constant Chromium updates in -stable. Who's going to do that? Are you going to do it? An

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Patrick Harper
I mean that all Chromium releases are made available for OpenBSD-stable (excluding the previous release at any given time, as with all existing port maintenance). My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sun, 12 Apr

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On April 12, 2020 7:07:01 PM UTC, Patrick Harper wrote: >The effort to support Chromium and Firefox (sans ESR) on OpenBSD akin >to Windows/macOS/'Linux' has not happened. On atleast current as Theo showed, Chromium is just as well if not better supported on OpenBSD than on Linux, these days. I

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Patrick Harper
The effort to support Chromium and Firefox (sans ESR) on OpenBSD akin to Windows/macOS/'Linux' has not happened. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 16:49, Raymond, David wrote: > My problem with iridium is that it is based on an older version of > chromium and I

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Raymond, David
Theo, Thanks for your explanations. I appreciate the efforts of you and your colleagues in keeping OpenBSD as up to date and secure as possible. That is one of the main reasons I am using it. Dave Raymond On 4/12/20, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Raymond, David wrote: > >> That said, I am a bit ner

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Elias M. Mariani wrote: > Actually, I was just checking the ports-changes mailing-list, and the > sync between Iridium and Chromium made me ask this. Step right up, step right up, there's room for volunteers

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Elias M. Mariani
Actually, I was just checking the ports-changes mailing-list, and the sync between Iridium and Chromium made me ask this. In any case, OpenBSD ports has nothing to do with this question. I ask here just because the OpenBSD community has a better view of this things. And (so far) they had made inter

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Raymond, David wrote: > That said, I am a bit nervous about OpenBSD's lags in > keeping up with browser security fixes. It isn't that simple. They don't ship security fixes standalone. Instead, they ship a mix of new changes *and* fixes. Lots of new unrelated changes, and only a few security

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Raymond, David
My problem with iridium is that it is based on an older version of chromium and I am not sure that they keep up with inevitable flow of security fixes. That said, I am a bit nervous about OpenBSD's lags in keeping up with browser security fixes. (I'm not criticizing -- I understand that OpenBSD i