Re: Non-x86

2007-10-30 Thread Matthew Szudzik
> >> Where are the choices for non-x86? > > > > The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old > > (macppc) or expensive & unsupported (IA64). I agree that sparc64 is currently the best alternative to the x86 architecture in i386 and amd64.

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 06:53:38PM +0200, Lars Nood??n wrote: > Martin SchrC6der wrote: > > 2007/10/26, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Where are the choices for non-x86? > > > > The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old >

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-29 Thread Lars Noodén
Martin SchrC6der wrote: > 2007/10/26, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Where are the choices for non-x86? > > The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old > (macppc) or expensive & unsupported (IA64). It's too bad that Apple d

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-28 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 09:59:43AM -0400, Jeff Quast wrote: > On 10/26/07, Matthew Szudzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Where are the choices for non-x86? > > > > > > The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old > >

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-28 Thread Jeff Quast
On 10/26/07, Matthew Szudzik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where are the choices for non-x86? > > > > The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old > > (macppc) or expensive & unsupported (IA64). > > If anyone is looking for

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Matthew Szudzik
> > Where are the choices for non-x86? > > The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old > (macppc) or expensive & unsupported (IA64). If anyone is looking for a non-x86 laptop, there aren't many choices. Is there any information about OpenBS

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/10/26, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive & unsupported (IA64). Best Martin

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Lars Noodén
CALEA. So, are backdoors like AMT required for all motherboards now? If so, what are the details? If not, what non-x86 options are available for regular workstations and servers. There's a shitload available for embedded devices and such. Where are the choices for non-x86? -Lars

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Ted Unangst
On 10/26/07, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the specific context of CALEA, the AMT wikipedia page as of Fri Oct > 26 07:45:59 GMT 2007, does not contain any references to CALEA, but do > contain the links I provided above. The CALEA page points to links > easily found with search engi

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread mickey
On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 01:39:56PM +0200, Martin Schr?der wrote: > 2007/10/26, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm not sure there is a context in which Wikipedia is ever relevant: it > > It's only as relevant as YOU help make it. > > Shut up and improve it. why don't you shuddup? cu --

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/10/26, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm not sure there is a context in which Wikipedia is ever relevant: it It's only as relevant as YOU help make it. Shut up and improve it. Best Martin

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Lars Noodén
ropers wrote: > On 24/10/2007, Lars NoodC)n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Seriously, what (affordable) non-x86 hardware options are available, >> especially those without AMT or AMT-like backdoors? >> >> http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/arti

Re: Non-x86 (was: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..)

2007-10-25 Thread ropers
On 24/10/2007, Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seriously, what (affordable) non-x86 hardware options are available, > especially those without AMT or AMT-like backdoors? > > http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1148.htm > http://www.int

Non-x86 (was: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..)

2007-10-23 Thread Lars Noodén
ur operating > system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. Seriously, what (affordable) non-x86 hardware options are available, especially those without AMT or AMT-like backdoors? http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1148.htm http://www.intel.com/pressroom/a

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Ted Unangst
01 > > The setup seems almost perfect, except that the AMD Geode seems to be > x86-based. indeed. meaning it uses the same compiler and kernel as the most widely tested port of openbsd. > What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or > even available ? why would you want such a thing?

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Lars Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell > or Freescale or anything else. If you look hard enough, I think you can find ARM/MIPS/PowerPC based single-board computers vaguely comparable to the Soekris range. Hec

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Stuart Henderson
boards mostly - BVM list some of the others but weren't capable of answering email last time I tried). > One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? Not all Intel CPUs are i386-compatible, of course... > There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor wrote: > What is AMT? http://www.intel.com/technology/platform-technology/intel-amt/index.htm aka "rootkit for everybody" http://strombergson.com/kryptoblog/?p=311 > Well ARM is not under Intel, Intel does ARM-processors just like > several others do (Atmel, TI, Philli

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread nicodache
t. > > > ... on epiacenter website ... > > I find only x86-based units there: celeron, amd geode, pentium, c3, > eden, TM8600, etc. > > One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? > > There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell > or Freescale or anything else. > > Regards, > -Lars

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? > > There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell > or Freescale or anything else. > > Regards, > -Lars > > What is AMT? Well ARM is not under Intel, Intel does ARM-p

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
es. I know. Hence my query to the list. > ... on epiacenter website ... I find only x86-based units there: celeron, amd geode, pentium, c3, eden, TM8600, etc. One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
0924004901 > > The setup seems almost perfect, except that the AMD Geode seems to be > x86-based. > > What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or > even available ? > > Regards, > -Lars > > Do you have any special reasons for not using x86-based hardware? BR dunceor

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread nicodache
st perfect, except that the AMD Geode seems to be > x86-based. > > What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or > even available ? > > Regards, > -Lars

non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
be x86-based. What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or even available ? Regards, -Lars