Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2020-04-12, Allan Streib wrote: > Patrick Harper writes: > >> My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. > > Not strictly true. Depends on your needs, and tolerance for things not > always working perfectly. Things *should* work just as well in -current as -stabl

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:18:13PM +0100, Patrick Harper wrote: > My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. On the contrary. Or at least: for testing, BY usage! Cheers, Erling > -- > Patrick Harper > paia...@fastmail.com > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 21:38, Kev

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Allan Streib
Patrick Harper writes: > My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. Not strictly true. Depends on your needs, and tolerance for things not always working perfectly. Allan

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Patrick Harper
I'm puzzled that you thought my statements were a complaint. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 22:30, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Patrick Harper wrote: > > > I mean that all Chromium releases are made available for OpenBSD-stable > > (excluding the previous release

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Patrick Harper wrote: > I mean that all Chromium releases are made available for OpenBSD-stable > (excluding the previous release at any given time, as with all existing port > maintenance). So you want constant Chromium updates in -stable. Who's going to do that? Are you going to do it? An

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Patrick Harper
I mean that all Chromium releases are made available for OpenBSD-stable (excluding the previous release at any given time, as with all existing port maintenance). My understanding of -current is that it is meant for testing, not usage. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sun, 12 Apr

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On April 12, 2020 7:07:01 PM UTC, Patrick Harper wrote: >The effort to support Chromium and Firefox (sans ESR) on OpenBSD akin >to Windows/macOS/'Linux' has not happened. On atleast current as Theo showed, Chromium is just as well if not better supported on OpenBSD than on Linux, these days. I

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Patrick Harper
The effort to support Chromium and Firefox (sans ESR) on OpenBSD akin to Windows/macOS/'Linux' has not happened. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, at 16:49, Raymond, David wrote: > My problem with iridium is that it is based on an older version of > chromium and I

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Raymond, David
Theo, Thanks for your explanations. I appreciate the efforts of you and your colleagues in keeping OpenBSD as up to date and secure as possible. That is one of the main reasons I am using it. Dave Raymond On 4/12/20, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Raymond, David wrote: > >> That said, I am a bit ner

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Elias M. Mariani wrote: > Actually, I was just checking the ports-changes mailing-list, and the > sync between Iridium and Chromium made me ask this. Step right up, step right up, there's room for volunteers

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Elias M. Mariani
Actually, I was just checking the ports-changes mailing-list, and the sync between Iridium and Chromium made me ask this. In any case, OpenBSD ports has nothing to do with this question. I ask here just because the OpenBSD community has a better view of this things. And (so far) they had made inter

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
Raymond, David wrote: > That said, I am a bit nervous about OpenBSD's lags in > keeping up with browser security fixes. It isn't that simple. They don't ship security fixes standalone. Instead, they ship a mix of new changes *and* fixes. Lots of new unrelated changes, and only a few security

Re: Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Raymond, David
My problem with iridium is that it is based on an older version of chromium and I am not sure that they keep up with inevitable flow of security fixes. That said, I am a bit nervous about OpenBSD's lags in keeping up with browser security fixes. (I'm not criticizing -- I understand that OpenBSD i

Iridium vs Chromium

2020-04-12 Thread Elias M. Mariani
I'm not much of a browser savy guy. Is Iridium really safer than Chromium? Leaving aside the "Google is tracking you!". Any recommendations on the browser front on performance, security and compatibility? I've been using Chrome and Chromium for years, but maybe there are better alternatives that I