Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:01:25PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: > On 08/26/2013 10:55 AM, Erling Westenvik wrote: > ... > >Lets say I'm happening to have lots of smaller disks that I'd like to > >create partitions for on larger disks. Reading on the label on one such > >small disk that it has a capac

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Nick Holland
On 08/26/2013 10:55 AM, Erling Westenvik wrote: ... Lets say I'm happening to have lots of smaller disks that I'd like to create partitions for on larger disks. Reading on the label on one such small disk that it has a capacity of 160GB, and knowing that this means 160 * 1000^3 bytes, makes it ea

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 04:55:33PM +0200, Erling Westenvik wrote: > I guess all it boils down to is the question why OpenBSD shouldn't use > standard unit names, that is GiB for gigabytes and GB for gibibytes? Now, that was kinda embarrasing. Of course I meant "GB for gigabytes and GiB for gibibyt

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 03:06:22PM +0200, Erling Westenvik wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) > > > > Kin

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 03:06:22PM +0200, Erling Westenvik wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) > > Kinda off topic and I take it you were being sarcastic, but your > mentioning of th

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 07:53:55AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Imo you are introducing a new meaning of "proper". Disk sizes have > > been in base 2 units since forever. The fact that marketing material > > uses base 10 units does not change what's proper. > > Here's a suggestion for new pref

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2013 Aug 26 (Mon) at 16:55:33 +0200 (+0200), Erling Westenvik wrote: :I guess all it boils down to is the question why OpenBSD shouldn't use :standard unit names, that is GiB for gigabytes and GB for gibibytes? We *are* using the standard unit names. Marketting droids aren't allowed to create s

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 07:29:24AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) > > > > Are there strong opinions against following standards and start > > converting

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Imo you are introducing a new meaning of "proper". Disk sizes have > been in base 2 units since forever. The fact that marketing material > uses base 10 units does not change what's proper. Here's a suggestion for new prefixes in use of these units. Full prefix plus unit shown for example. Ka

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) > > Are there strong opinions against following standards and start > converting to the proper terms for gigabytes (decimal, base 10, 1GB = > 1000^3 byte

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2013-08-26, Erling Westenvik wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) > > Kinda off topic and I take it you were being sarcastic, but your > mentioning of the "dreadful MiB" reminded me

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 03:06:22PM +0200, Erling Westenvik wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) > > Kinda off topic and I take it you were being sarcastic, but your > mentioning of t

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:27:36AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > you will then end up with some of them switching to dreadful MiB etc. ;) Kinda off topic and I take it you were being sarcastic, but your mentioning of the "dreadful MiB" reminded me about the LibreOffice spreadsheet I'm using to

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-26 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2013-08-24, Jason McIntyre wrote: > as far as packages, i doubt the man pages would be changed. i guess you > could talk to the individual port maintainer if you wanted. this type of patch wouldn't be appropriate for the ports tree. sometimes you will have success if you contact upstream, but

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-25 Thread Zeljko Jovanovic
On 24.08.2013. 15:36, Jason McIntyre wrote: at first i feared a can of worms, but actually it's not looking so bad. of the two pages in base you point out, i think sort(1) definitely needs changed. ld(1) is 3rd party, however, so i'm not touching that. of the "pf-related pages"...i think hostap

Re: In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-24 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 05:17:24AM +0200, Zeljko Jovanovic wrote: > I was just reading some random man pages, and noticed a few places > where "Mb" should probably be changed to "MB", since the intended > meaning is Megabytes, not Megabits. > > In the base system, these are sort(1) and ld(1). I ha

In some man pages Mb means MB, in others it means Mb/s

2013-08-23 Thread Zeljko Jovanovic
I was just reading some random man pages, and noticed a few places where "Mb" should probably be changed to "MB", since the intended meaning is Megabytes, not Megabits. In the base system, these are sort(1) and ld(1). I have only a few additional packages installed, but found it also in /usr/l