Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-11-28, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2014-11-28, Martin Hanson wrote: > >> How does one secure against MAC/IP spoofing? Is there a way to prevent this. > > 1. You separate the traffic so that potential attackers cannot access >this network segment. >a. Physically: Run a wire. >

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Hanson
> theoretically this is possible, but only if the original machine holding > the ip was down. just as a nameserver converts to an ip, the ip is converted > to a MAC-address, which is associated with the NIC. if you want you can > permantly associate an ip with a mac, that way another machine cannot

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-28 Thread lists
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 03:27:38PM +0100, Martin Hanson wrote: > First I would scan the network for MACs and matching IPs, then I would > spoof one at a time until I am out. Don't forget about the differentiation between "authpf" and "authpf-noip". The latter can make things interesting for some

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2014-11-28, Martin Hanson wrote: > How does one secure against MAC/IP spoofing? Is there a way to prevent this. 1. You separate the traffic so that potential attackers cannot access this network segment. a. Physically: Run a wire. b. Logically: Use a separate VLAN. 2. Authenticate w

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-28 Thread Josh Grosse
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 03:27:38PM +0100, Martin Hanson wrote: > > theoretically this is possible, but only if the original machine holding > > the ip was down. just as a nameserver converts to an ip, the ip is converted > > to a MAC-address, which is associated with the NIC. if you want you can >

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-28 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2014-11-28, thev...@openmailbox.org wrote: >> If say machine 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.3 needs unrestricted access to >> the net, then wont it be as easy as "Joe" changing his machines IP >> address to 192.168.0.2 to gain access without authentication? > > theoretically this is possible, but o

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-27 Thread bodie
On 27.11.2014 17:09, Martin Hanson wrote: Hi So I am looking into authpf and I am wondering about some real world applications. I have a bunch of users, but I also have just a bunch of machines. The machines cannot login via SSH and should not try to do so (via some script or otherwise). How

Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-27 Thread thevoid
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 17:09:02 +0100 Martin Hanson wrote: > Hi > > So I am looking into authpf and I am wondering about some real world > applications. > > I have a bunch of users, but I also have just a bunch of machines. > > The machines cannot login via SSH and should not try to do so (via so

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-27 Thread Martin Hanson
> Here is a case where you trust the machines, but do not trust Joe. > > Commonly, trusted servers are deployed on network segments that are > separate from untrusted users - via Ethernet segments or VLANs. It > is also possible to use VPNs to provide functional separation of > servers from use

Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-27 Thread Martin Hanson
Hi So I am looking into authpf and I am wondering about some real world applications. I have a bunch of users, but I also have just a bunch of machines. The machines cannot login via SSH and should not try to do so (via some script or otherwise). However, these machines needs access 24/7. So I

Re: Confused about authpf real world usage

2014-11-27 Thread Josh Grosse
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 05:09:02PM +0100, Martin Hanson wrote: > Hi > > So I am looking into authpf and I am wondering about some real world > applications. > > I have a bunch of users, but I also have just a bunch of machines. > > The machines cannot login via SSH and should not try to do so (v