Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-21 Thread Jeremy O'Brien
I was just thinking today about how cool it would be to have an OpenBSD phone, and then I saw your post. How bizarre. Anyway, the closest thing I have found to a "pocket computer phone" is the android line of phones. I've had an original Droid, and now I have a Droid Incredible, and I absolutely lo

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-21 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 17/11/10 12:59, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Jan Stary wrote: > >> My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, >> most probably with one of these newer smartphones. >> >> Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: >> a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB stora

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-21 Thread Mark Shroyer
On 11/21/2010 3:55 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Oh my god, yes, virtual machines are so safe. Huh? I was replying to Marco's statement that >>> [Android] is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read >>> your email, credit card numbers, etc etc. Which seemed to imply that Android has buil

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-21 Thread Дмитрий Царьков
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Android and Maemo are Linux-based. B Symbian, iOS, Bada, Blackberry > and Windows Mobile are not. Bada is typically linux-based, while Bada implementation inSamsung Wave S8500 isn't. Actually it contains code from BSD flavour (http:/

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email, > > credit card numbers, etc etc. > > > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote: > >> The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I > >> have to say I like it a lot. But it is defin

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-20 Thread Mark Shroyer
On 11/17/2010 7:28 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email, > credit card numbers, etc etc. > > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote: >> The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I >> have to sa

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-19 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:51:00PM -0600, Marko Kraljevic said that > The most open phone I'm aware of is Nokia N900. It runs Maemo, and can http://wiki.geeksphone.com/en/index.php?title=Main_Page -f -- go and catch a falling star...

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-18 Thread Super Biscuit
You're looking at this from a programmer's perspective and not from a business one. let's look at the basic Unix-like/descended systems: All were developed because each founder- or founders- saw a niche, necessity, or challenge. Nokia, Google, and Apple are business entities whose purpose is to c

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email, credit card numbers, etc etc. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote: > The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I > have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not open as > po

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Paul M
On 18/11/2010, at 10:15 AM, Martin Schrvder wrote: 2010/11/17 Ted Unangst : Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously obsolete. And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. Best Martin ... And is a fraudster and a criminal paulm

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Francesco Vollero
Il 17/11/10 23.51, Marko Kraljevic ha scritto: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Jan Stary wrote: [snap] The most open phone I'm aware of is Nokia N900. It runs Maemo, and can run full blown Debian, AFAIK. Never heard of anyone running OpenBSD on one, but perhaps it is possible? I'm assuming i

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Francesco Vollero
Il 18/11/10 00.53, m brandenberg ha scritto: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Jona Joachim wrote: The hardware is slow and buggy and the OpenBSD Moko port is dead. Just don't buy it ;) That said, I have a Neo 1973 available for a deal if anyone wants to play... Dont even try to donate to the community!

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread m brandenberg
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Jona Joachim wrote: The hardware is slow and buggy and the OpenBSD Moko port is dead. Just don't buy it ;) That said, I have a Neo 1973 available for a deal if anyone wants to play... -- Monty Brandenberg

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread roberth
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:51:00 -0600 Marko Kraljevic wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Jan Stary wrote: > > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > > a

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/17 Jona Joachim : > On 2010-11-17, Martin Schr?der wrote: >> And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. > > Obvious troll is obvious. Ask Theo about Mr. Vandeputte. :-) Oh, and if you believe http://accounting.kd85.com/ , read the list archives. Best Martin

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Marko Kraljevic
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Jan Stary wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented > wifi

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2010-11-17, Martin Schr?der wrote: > 2010/11/17 Ted Unangst : >> Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously >> obsolete. > > And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. Obvious troll is obvious. -- Worse is better Richard P. Gabriel

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2010-11-17, Ted Unangst wrote: > Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > obsolete. On top of that graphics and wifi documentation is only available under NDA and the reverse engineered Linux drivers are broken. The hardware is slow and buggy and the OpenBSD Mok

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/17 Ted Unangst : > Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > obsolete. And the supplier in question is known to hate Theo and OpenBSD. Best Martin

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Jan Stary wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented The most open smartphone I'm aware o

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Tomas Vavrys
The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not open as possible. 2010/11/17 patric conant : > Yes, and we won't be supporting any obsolete platforms around here. > > On Nov 17, 2010 8:34 AM, "Francesco Vollero" wrote: > > I

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread patric conant
Yes, and we won't be supporting any obsolete platforms around here. On Nov 17, 2010 8:34 AM, "Francesco Vollero" wrote: Il 17/11/10 15.17, Ted Unangst ha scritto: > > Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously > obsolete. I Agree. It's really really obsolete. >

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Francesco Vollero
Il 17/11/10 15.17, Ted Unangst ha scritto: Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously obsolete. I Agree. It's really really obsolete. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov wrote: may be http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ? On 09:00 Wed 17 Nov , Jan Stary wrot

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Ted Unangst
Compared to the hardware available today, the openmoko is ridiculously obsolete. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Sergey Bronnikov wrote: > may be http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ? > > On 09:00 Wed 17 Nov , Jan Stary wrote: >> My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, >> most probably with

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Sergey Bronnikov
may be http://openmoko.kd85.com/ ? On 09:00 Wed 17 Nov , Jan Stary wrote: > My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, > most probably with one of these newer smartphones. > > Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: > a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB sto

Re: An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread rancor
Use duct tape and wire it with a netbook with internal GSM module around your head and install vanilla OpenBSD... works perfectly Don't use that new thing called 3g, umts,cdma or anything else. It's alien technology Den 2010 11 17 09:05 skrev "Jan Stary" :

An OpenBSD smartphone

2010-11-17 Thread Jan Stary
My twelve years old cell phone needs to get replaced, most probably with one of these newer smartphones. Beside other things, I want it to be as "open" as possible: a freely-available OS, a class-compliant USB storage, a documented wifi hardware, etc. So, in this regard: has someone managed to ins