Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-27 Thread Timo Myyrä
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Nido wrote: >> Come on, it is fucking inefficient. The way it checks out *empty >> directories* >> and then garbage-collects them at the end of an update is beyond stupid. > > Not that i particularly care; but isn't git incapable of checking out > empty directories?

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-26 Thread Marc Espie
There's also ample room for improvements in some of the algorithms cvs currently use. It positively SUCKS at merging stuff. It can't even work with its own keywords properly. I no longer count the number of times I've had a *conflict* after a merge on code I committed myself in another tree, just

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-26 Thread Nido
> Come on, it is fucking inefficient. The way it checks out *empty > directories* > and then garbage-collects them at the end of an update is beyond stupid. Not that i particularly care; but isn't git incapable of checking out empty directories? Besides that, it is perfectly possible to use git y

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-26 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:17:30PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > Hi! > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:16:12PM +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: > >Pretty much every single new revision control system can import/export > >from CVS, so use whatever you want... > > I tried git cvsimport on OpenBSD'

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-26 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:39:41AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > Manure alert! > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:16:39PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 02:11:21PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > > >What is wrong with CVS? And no I am not talking about the h

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-24 Thread chefren
On 06/23/09 18:58, Theo de Raadt wrote: Blah blah blah blah That is clearly self describing... You just like listening to yourself talk. Shut up. Pooh, pooh Mr "Not Invented Here" and "We didn't learned that in our BSD Kindergarten". Hannah is clearly just informative (as always!) an

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Daniel Bolgheroni
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Daniel Bolgheroni > wrote: > > > 3. What I should not question in an OpenBSD mailing list? > > The development process. It's a good bet that the people who have > been developing OpenBSD for 10 years know more about how

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Ted Unangst
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: > 1. Why we use cvs? It works [enough]. > 2. Why we don't WANT to use svn, git, etc.? See above. Also, why would we want to? (Don't answer that, you're wrong.) > 3. What I should not question in an OpenBSD mailing list? The developme

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Daniel Bolgheroni
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Fernando Quintero wrote: > Hello list, > > I have a question: > > I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the > distributed software "with best performance", but really i don't know much > about it. > There are some technicals or philosophicals reaso

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
>>[...] > >>To assume that it is not superiour in the particular application >>to which it is being put is also ridiculous. Having 1000 extra >>features you don't use and will never use is not an advantage. > >If one hasn't tried it out, it's difficult to assume one would never use >features like d

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Marco Peereboom wrote: I used git twice. Once I lost hours worth of work and the second time it munged instead of merged the code. No thanks. If it works for you great, now stop evangelizing some retarded versioning system that will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be used in OpenBSD. since

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Anil Madhavapeddy
On 23 Jun 2009, at 13:17, Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:16:12PM +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: Pretty much every single new revision control system can import/ export from CVS, so use whatever you want... I tried git cvsimport on OpenBSD's tree and it failed, alas.

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Marco Peereboom
I used git twice. Once I lost hours worth of work and the second time it munged instead of merged the code. No thanks. If it works for you great, now stop evangelizing some retarded versioning system that will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be used in OpenBSD. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 03:16:59PM

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Landry Breuil
Hi, can we please stop this ? Some devs are aware of dvcs advantages, some use them locally for their own developments, some share things between some devs using dvcs public repos, some thinks that CVS has some weaknesses (which *might* be adressed in opencvs, once it is feature-compliant with gnu

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:39:41AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: >Manure alert! >On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:16:39PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 02:11:21PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: >> >What is wrong with CVS? And no I am not talking about the hypotheticals >

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Marco Peereboom
Manure alert! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:16:39PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > Hi! > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 02:11:21PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: > >What is wrong with CVS? And no I am not talking about the hypotheticals > >and some bugs that exist in the current code (that can also be

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:11:42AM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: >[...] >To assume that it is not superiour in the particular application >to which it is being put is also ridiculous. Having 1000 extra >features you don't use and will never use is not an advantage. If one hasn't tried i

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:48:33PM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote: >Mic J writes: But to imply that CVS is better than (or equal to) Mercurial or Git is a bit ridiculous :) >Mercurial and Git are crap. Why do you think so? My experiences with git are quite good. >[...] >>Fr

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:58:04PM -0500, Eugene Prodeguene wrote: >[...] >http://www.openbsd.org/why-cvs.html >Because none of the above mentioned will allow for 70+ developers to >update ~1.2GB/~140,000 files of source code, allow anonymous checkouts, >has an available web based interface

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 02:11:21PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: >What is wrong with CVS? And no I am not talking about the hypotheticals >and some bugs that exist in the current code (that can also be easily >worked around). - It's *slow* (once you've seen git's speed, both cvs and svn are

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:16:12PM +0100, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote: >Pretty much every single new revision control system can import/export >from CVS, so use whatever you want... I tried git cvsimport on OpenBSD's tree and it failed, alas. cvs2svn doesn't grok some peculiarities of OpenBSD's

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:13:51PM -0700, Mike Swanson wrote: > Paul M wrote: > >On 23/06/2009, at 6:44 AM, Fernando Quintero wrote: > > > >>Hello list, > >> > >>I have a question: > >> > >>I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the > >>distributed software "with best perf

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Artur Grabowski
Mic J writes: >>> But to >>> imply that CVS is better than (or equal to) Mercurial or Git is a bit >>> ridiculous :) Mercurial and Git are crap. >> Because none of the above mentioned will allow for 70+ developers to >> update ~1.2GB/~140,000 files of source code, allow anonymous checkouts, >>

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-23 Thread Mic J
I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the distributed software "with best performance", but really i don't know much about it. There are some technicals or philosophicals reasons why the OpenBSD repository does not change to something other t

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Abel Camarillo
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:13:51PM -0700, Mike Swanson wrote: > Paul M wrote: >> On 23/06/2009, at 6:44 AM, Fernando Quintero wrote: >> >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I have a question: >>> >>> I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the >>> distributed software "with best perform

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Eugene Prodeguene
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Mike Swanson wrote: Paul M wrote: On 23/06/2009, at 6:44 AM, Fernando Quintero wrote: Hello list, I have a question: I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the distributed software "with best performance", but really i don't know much about it.

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Mike Swanson
Paul M wrote: On 23/06/2009, at 6:44 AM, Fernando Quintero wrote: Hello list, I have a question: I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the distributed software "with best performance", but really i don't know much about it. There are some technicals or philosophic

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Paul M
On 23/06/2009, at 6:44 AM, Fernando Quintero wrote: Hello list, I have a question: I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the distributed software "with best performance", but really i don't know much about it. There are some technicals or philosophicals reasons why

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Anil Madhavapeddy
Pretty much every single new revision control system can import/export from CVS, so use whatever you want... -anil On 22 Jun 2009, at 19:44, Fernando Quintero wrote: Hello list, I have a question: I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the distributed software "wi

Re: About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Marco Peereboom
If it ain't broken don't fix it. What is wrong with CVS? And no I am not talking about the hypotheticals and some bugs that exist in the current code (that can also be easily worked around). I have used just about all versioning systems, including ones that have the price tag of islands in the p

About the OpenBSD repository

2009-06-22 Thread Fernando Quintero
Hello list, I have a question: I was reading about version control systems and i found a lot of the distributed software "with best performance", but really i don't know much about it. There are some technicals or philosophicals reasons why the OpenBSD repository does not change to something othe