Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-11 Thread Ikmal Ahmad
On 6/11/05, Steve Shockley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mdff wrote: > > our favourite was/is HP's DLxxx series, but mickey@ is > > working on the ciss-port for their storage controllers and > > we don't know when it's stable for production use... > > I usually wind up using older Compaq and HP ser

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Shockley
mdff wrote: our favourite was/is HP's DLxxx series, but mickey@ is working on the ciss-port for their storage controllers and we don't know when it's stable for production use... I usually wind up using older Compaq and HP servers for OpenBSD, where they used either Megaraid, old Adaptec or Sm

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread nate
mdff said: > hi misc@, > > which hardware r u talking about for example? we'd like > to use such "real" servers, but we can't decide what vendor > to choose. we definitely do not want to "build" our own > server (taking the raid controller from vendor x and the > disks from vendor y, having an over

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin
On 6/10/05, mdff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > : Steve Shockley writes: >> Avoid relying on cheap hardware to make your cost point. >> OpenBSD runs well on "real", modern servers. > > any experience values which vendor to choose servers from? > and of course, where the newer hardware is fully supp

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread Mark Uemura
Hi Steve, I was happy to get your comments and was not offended by anything you said. I'm very happy to learn from anyone, especially if it is going to improve the presentation. You made some good points that I will use going forward :) My objective is really to prove by example & experience t

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-10 Thread mdff
hi misc@, which hardware r u talking about for example? we'd like to use such "real" servers, but we can't decide what vendor to choose. we definitely do not want to "build" our own server (taking the raid controller from vendor x and the disks from vendor y, having an overkill xeon mabo from z an

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-08 Thread steve . shockley
On Mon, June 6, 2005 9:48 am, Mark Uemura wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to provide me with your feedback. I'm not > adverse to getting or taking criticism if I'm wrong and/or if I learn > something. As my very close father-like friend says to me, "Mark, if > you're not careful, you'll learn

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Shockley
Mark Uemura wrote: six month prior to me taking over the SysAdmin position. Ah, see when I read the slides, I got the impression that you came in as a consultant to do all this, not that you did it all in-house. I for one have problems putting a Windows Server on the Internet. Even within

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:05:23PM -0400, Steve Shockley wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: > >To start with http://www.schneier.com/pptp.html and also because I for > >one don't trust *any* security related code that I can't get the source > >for. I think I'm not alone here by any means. > > You're talk

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Miod Vallat
> (Besides, isn't it "less talk, more code"? Of course I'm probably > better at talking than coding.) Actually, I don't know why, but people keep getting the sentence wrong, for no good reason. The real sentence is ``less talk, more cheese''. Note that, I have a list if you somehow can't find

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Shockley
Theo de Raadt wrote: Lots of commentary from you, Steve... is that why you are the one giving the talks? I'm not sure I have anyone to give a talk to, and I haven't done anything quite as interesting (or large-scale) as this with OpenBSD. (Besides, isn't it "less talk, more code"? Of course

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Shockley
Ray Percival wrote: To start with http://www.schneier.com/pptp.html and also because I for one don't trust *any* security related code that I can't get the source for. I think I'm not alone here by any means. You're talking about PPTP, I'm talking about IPsec. Fact of the matter is we can loo

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Mark Uemura
> This is a Very Nicely Done Presentation! > > Dave Feustel Hi Dave, Thanks a lot for this. I'm glad that people like it because it was a lot of work to put it together. More so than building and configuring systems ;) Actually, I did get a lot of help along the way and Ryan McBride who was

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-06 Thread Mark Uemura
Hi Steve, Thanks for taking the time to provide me with your feedback. I'm not adverse to getting or taking criticism if I'm wrong and/or if I learn something. As my very close father-like friend says to me, "Mark, if you're not careful, you'll learn something everyday!" :) > Overall the prese

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-05 Thread Dave Feustel
On Sunday 05 June 2005 06:12 pm, Mark Uemura wrote: > Hi All, > > I recently gave a talk that may interest some. I hope > that it could be used by anyone presenting the merits > of OpenBSD and related Projects as a business case for > the corporate world. The slides can be used by anyone > in an

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-05 Thread Ray Percival
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:25:39PM -0400, Steve Shockley wrote: > Mark Uemura wrote: > Remote access: Windows' built-in Remote Desktop is included with the OS, > you don't need OpenBSD for that. You couldn't do that over your Intel > VPN? Remote Desktop is potentially vulnerable to MITM, but it's

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
Lots of commentary from you, Steve... is that why you are the one giving the talks? >Mark Uemura wrote: >> I hope this helps others put forth a good case for >> OpenBSD in their working environment. > >Overall the presentation is well-done, but I take some exception with >some of your conclusions

Re: A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-05 Thread Steve Shockley
Mark Uemura wrote: I hope this helps others put forth a good case for OpenBSD in their working environment. Overall the presentation is well-done, but I take some exception with some of your conclusions on slide 34. I know when I talk to a vendor and get unrealistic comparisons, mentally tha

A Business Case for integrating OpenBSD into IT Infrastructures

2005-06-05 Thread Mark Uemura
Hi All, I recently gave a talk that may interest some. I hope that it could be used by anyone presenting the merits of OpenBSD and related Projects as a business case for the corporate world. The slides can be used by anyone in any manner that would best benefit the Project. I've updated our co