Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-23 Thread Chris Bee
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 08:39:45PM -0800, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > On 22 December 2013 14:45, Chris Bee wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 06:40:28PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: > >> > I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some > >> > trouble, probably due to how

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-23 Thread Chris Bee
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:51:53AM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Chris Bee wrote: > >On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 06:40:28PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: > >> > >>The obvious thing you should do is to add more memory to this system. > >>The 5.4 i386 GENERIC kernel is huge and eats more tha

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 22 December 2013 14:45, Chris Bee wrote: > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 06:40:28PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: >> > I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some >> > trouble, probably due to how little RAM it has - 16 MB. >> [...] >> >

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I would not recommend using an old release! However both NetBSD and > OpenBSD became fat! I don't think it is only the kernel, it looks as if > every single program got a bit fatter in the years, even plain old stuff > like bash or xterm. ^ It is a bit hard to consider tho

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Chris, Chris Bee wrote: On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 06:40:28PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: The obvious thing you should do is to add more memory to this system. The 5.4 i386 GENERIC kernel is huge and eats more than half the physical memory, and then the data structures it creates aren't free. Th

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Miod Vallat
> OpenBSD is getting so bloated these days, it requires > so much RAM :) Only on x86! Miod

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Chris Bee
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 06:40:28PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: > > I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some > > trouble, probably due to how little RAM it has - 16 MB. > [...] > > I have read INSTALL.i386 and > > it says that

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some > > trouble, probably due to how little RAM it has - 16 MB. > [...] > > I have read INSTALL.i386 and > > it says that I need at least 32 MB of RAM for 5.4. > [...] > >

Re: 5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Miod Vallat
> I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some > trouble, probably due to how little RAM it has - 16 MB. [...] > I have read INSTALL.i386 and > it says that I need at least 32 MB of RAM for 5.4. [...] > Apologies if t

5.4 on a ThinkPad 760EL

2013-12-22 Thread Chris Bee
I'm trying to install 5.4 on an old ThinkPad 760EL and running into some trouble, probably due to how little RAM it has - 16 MB. The install from the floppy54.fs image went well, no problems. When the machine boots up for the first time, SSH key generation takes an hour (the laptop is very slow) bu