Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-04 Thread Jared Solomon
Feh, just have a read-only / with a read/write /home. Then just tell Dad to pull the plug when he's finished. FWIW he, and you, will probably go back to windows right quick with that solution.

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-04 Thread Dave Feustel
On Wednesday 04 January 2006 02:36, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:50, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:11, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > > > >

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Feustel wrote: > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:50, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:11, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > > > > > The rule of thumb for granting privileges is simple; avoid granting > >

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 18:20, J.C. Roberts wrote: > I'm not really a KDE user. Heck, I even resist installing X11 whenever > possible. I am getting ever closer to adopting your point of view re X11 and KDE. -- Lose, v., experience a loss, get rid of, "lose the weight" Loose, adj., not tight,

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:34:57 -0500, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:11, J.C. Roberts wrote: > >> The rule of thumb for granting privileges is simple; avoid granting >> permissions whenever possible. > >Check the ownership/privileges on /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 after

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Damien Miller
Dave Feustel wrote: > Check the ownership/privileges on /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 after you start kde or > Xorg. You can stop repeating this now, you have already demonstrated your ignorance.

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:50, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:11, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > > > The rule of thumb for granting privileges is simple; avoid granting > > > permissions whenever possible. > > > > Check the own

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:46:50 +0100, Hannah Schroeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello! > >On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 11:15:46AM -0800, patrick ~ wrote: >>> The first thing I did was add a "flag file" to my dad's home directory >>> and made sure he cant modify or delete it. > >>> # touch /home/dad/.

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Feustel wrote: > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:11, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > The rule of thumb for granting privileges is simple; avoid granting > > permissions whenever possible. > > Check the ownership/privileges on /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 after you start kde or > Xorg. Co

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:03:31 +0100, Hannah Schroeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 03:24:22AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: >>My dad (68 years old) has finally succeeded in destroying/infecteding >>his MS-Windows NT4 box, in spite of my best efforts to secure the darn >>thing (e.

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 17:11, J.C. Roberts wrote: > The rule of thumb for granting privileges is simple; avoid granting > permissions whenever possible. Check the ownership/privileges on /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 after you start kde or Xorg. Also check the ownership/privileges on the /dev/[pt]typ* p

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:24:44 +0200, Juha Erkkila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 07:04:36PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:45:46PM -0500, Michael Erdely wrote: >> > Add dad to the operator group which can run /sbin/shutdown without sudo. >> >> Tha

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 11:15:46AM -0800, patrick ~ wrote: >> The first thing I did was add a "flag file" to my dad's home directory >> and made sure he cant modify or delete it. >> # touch /home/dad/.xshutdown >> # chown root:wheel /home/dad/.xshutdown >> # chmod 400 /home/dad/.xshu

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:24:44PM +0200, Juha Erkkila wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 07:04:36PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:45:46PM -0500, Michael Erdely wrote: > > > Add dad to the operator group which can run /sbin/shutdown without sudo. > > > > That's not a

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread patrick ~
> The first thing I did was add a "flag file" to my dad's home directory > and made sure he cant modify or delete it. > > # touch /home/dad/.xshutdown > # chown root:wheel /home/dad/.xshutdown > # chmod 400 /home/dad/.xshutdown login: dad password: dadsbox $ ls -l .xshutdown -r

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Juha Erkkila
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 07:04:36PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:45:46PM -0500, Michael Erdely wrote: > > Add dad to the operator group which can run /sbin/shutdown without sudo. > > That's not a very good idea. > > $ ls -la /dev/wd* > brw-r- 1 root operator

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 12:45:46PM -0500, Michael Erdely wrote: > On 1/3/06, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since /etc/X11/xdm/TakeConsole runs with root permission on every user > > > logout to prevent /dev/console sniffing I modified it to perform the > > > shutdown if the flag

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Michael Erdely
On 1/3/06, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since /etc/X11/xdm/TakeConsole runs with root permission on every user > > logout to prevent /dev/console sniffing I modified it to perform the > > shutdown if the flag file is found in the users home directory. > > > > # cat /etc/X11/xdm

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Terry
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Joachim Schipper wrote: Basically, all mail clients suck. And the one that sucks less is not very newbie-friendly. Joachim Hehehe, I agree. However, I have used a few graphical clients that weren't too bad. Evolution, Thunderbird, and Sylpheed-Claws. A few

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 03:24:22AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: > My dad (68 years old) has finally succeeded in destroying/infecteding > his MS-Windows NT4 box, in spite of my best efforts to secure the darn > thing (e.g. No MSIE, No "Microsoft Networking", stripped of just about > everything MS-ish

Re: "DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 03:24:22AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: >My dad (68 years old) has finally succeeded in destroying/infecteding >his MS-Windows NT4 box, in spite of my best efforts to secure the darn >thing (e.g. No MSIE, No "Microsoft Networking", stripped of just about >everything MS

"DadOS" - sys shutdown with XDM

2006-01-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
My dad (68 years old) has finally succeeded in destroying/infecteding his MS-Windows NT4 box, in spite of my best efforts to secure the darn thing (e.g. No MSIE, No "Microsoft Networking", stripped of just about everything MS-ish and with tons of hand made patches, behind an openbsd firewall... and