Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
> I am conducting my tests with manual hw.setperf=0 I think maybe it’s the drivers not powering down like you said

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 3:13 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote: > https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=165231418528297&w=2 > > I am conducting my tests with manual hw.setperf=0

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:00:25 +0200, Kirill A. Korinsky wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:36:57 +0200, > Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > https://cneira.github.io/posts/openbsd-save-battery-changes/ > > Do you have an idea what had happened with it? > After reading some code I have a conclusio

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Mihai Popescu
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=165231418528297&w=2

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:36:57 +0200, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2024-04-30, Nathaniel Griswold wrote: > > What could be taking so much power? CPUs are idling. > > some things in this area that people have been looking into: > > https://cneira.github.io/posts/openbsd-save-battery-changes/ Q

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Souji Thenria
On Tue Apr 30, 2024 at 5:09 PM BST, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2024-04-30, Souji Thenria wrote: > > Could you elaborate on your point that Go ports are a pain? > I thought a port written in Go would probably be easier to maintain > because no additional libraries are needed to run the program,

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2024-04-30, Nathaniel Griswold wrote: > What could be taking so much power? CPUs are idling. some things in this area that people have been looking into: https://cneira.github.io/posts/openbsd-save-battery-changes/ https://github.com/openbsd/src/compare/master...jcs:openbsd-src:jcs

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2024-04-30, Souji Thenria wrote: > > Could you elaborate on your point that Go ports are a pain? > I thought a port written in Go would probably be easier to maintain > because no additional libraries are needed to run the program, and > cross-compilation is relatively easy, too. With current

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
Kirill thanks for the patch, but i am still worried about the power usage. Even if i put apmd in manual mode and setperf=0, my system sucks 9-9.5W, which means the patch will not do much in my situation since any benefit from the patch comes from setperf=0. What could be taking so much power? C

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Mihai Popescu wrote: > > Any ideas if it's remediable or where to start digging? > > Linux has drivers for devices shutdown when not used and idle power > states, pretty much like Windows has. Android, who is Linux derived, > took this concept to a much higher l

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 7:52 AM, Nathaniel Griswold wrote: > For this reason, I’m not sure it’s doing straight pass through — it must be > some kind of hybrid design or something I don’t understand. For anyone interested, I guess I was wrong it stays at zero current even under high load. I mu

Re: ubnt edgerouter 8

2024-04-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2024/04/30 16:46, Marc Peters wrote: > Am Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:03:10PM UTC, schrieb Stuart Henderson: > > Do be aware that they often have less airflow than the original fans. > > > > Sometimes that is not a problem, but sometimes you might want to think > > twice (especially in, say, the po

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Souji Thenria
On Tue Apr 30, 2024 at 3:23 PM BST, Kirill A. Korinsky wrote: On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:30:25 +0200, "Souji Thenria" wrote: > > Could you elaborate on your point that Go ports are a pain? I thought a > port written in Go would probably be easier to maintain > because no additional libraries are n

rk3399 rockpro64 fails to power off

2024-04-30 Thread Cristian Danila
Dear Misc, I own a rockpro64 device + openbsd 7.5 and for some reason shutdown -p now does not powering off the device -> shutdown -p now - Shutdown NOW! shutdown: [pid 39459] *** FINAL System shutdown message from root@*** *** System going

Re: ubnt edgerouter 8

2024-04-30 Thread Marc Peters
Am Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:03:10PM UTC, schrieb Stuart Henderson: > Do be aware that they often have less airflow than the original fans. > > Sometimes that is not a problem, but sometimes you might want to think > twice (especially in, say, the power supply in poe switches, which might > end up g

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:30:25 +0200, "Souji Thenria" wrote: > > Could you elaborate on your point that Go ports are a pain? I thought a > port written in Go would probably be easier to maintain > because no additional libraries are needed to run the program, and > cross-compilation is relatively e

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Souji Thenria
On Tue Apr 30, 2024 at 1:24 PM BST, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2024-04-30, Souji Thenria wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In the last couple of days, I played with the webserver Caddy [1] and > would like to use it for some of my web applications. However, the > webserver is currently not in the ports

Re: boot openbsd from emmc on RockPro64

2024-04-30 Thread OBI
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:39:55 +0200 "Cristian Danila" wrote: > HI Olivier, > > I cannot express how grateful I am that finally is booting emmc. > However, I still have an issue, power button does not seem to work > and shutdown -p now does not really turn off the device. > > pw# shutdown -p now

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:01:43 +0200, "Nathaniel Griswold" wrote: > > My serperf seems to be at a consistent zero in my idle tests which makes > me think the patch may not help my idle tests much, but may help actual > usage. > In my personal use case it allows to win near 30 minutes of battery li

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2024-04-30, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2024-04-30, Souji Thenria wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> In the last couple of days, I played with the webserver Caddy [1] and >> would like to use it for some of my web applications. However, the >> webserver is currently not in the ports tree. Is there

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
> Well, I haven't tried it but I've read documentation [1] and it seems a bit > differently, isn't it? Um, obsdfreqd sets a cpu frequency “percentage” which I thought might just be setperf. One difference is it sets a range based on a usage algorithm while solene’s patch seems to setperf 100 or

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Griswold
> is it an genuine (really in strict sense of the term) brand battery or a > compatible replacement (even if they call it "genuine", always puzzles me). > Since I keep alive a lot of vintage laptops and am the author of > GNUstep's BatteryMonitor I share the experience that non-original > batte

Re: Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2024-04-30, Souji Thenria wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In the last couple of days, I played with the webserver Caddy [1] and > would like to use it for some of my web applications. However, the > webserver is currently not in the ports tree. Is there a specific reason > for that, or has no one wan

Re: ubnt edgerouter 8

2024-04-30 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2024-04-30, Marc Peters wrote: > Am Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 05:31:14PM UTC, schrieb Daniel Gracia: >>I replaced my 8 Pro fans with Noctua units and I'm pretty happy with >>them; they came with several adapters that allow you to choose the >>speed of the fans. > > +1 for the noctua fan

pax and ext2fs

2024-04-30 Thread Walter Alejandro Iglesias
Hello, I'd never used pax(1), reading the man page I found this command can be used to make a backup: $ pax -r -w -v -Y -Z home /backup Faster than using rsync indeed, but it seems that the -Y and -Z options don't work with ext2fs? -- Walter

Re: boot openbsd from emmc on RockPro64

2024-04-30 Thread Cristian Danila
HI Olivier, I cannot express how grateful I am that finally is booting emmc. However, I still have an issue, power button does not seem to work and shutdown -p now does not really turn off the device. pw# shutdown -p now Shutdown NOW! shutdown: [pid 39459] pw# *** FINAL System shutdown message fr

Re: fw_update

2024-04-30 Thread Страхиња Радић
Дана 24/04/30 01:12PM, Kirill A. Korinsky написа: > You may download it by hand and install as fw_update /path/to/firmware.tgz BTW, this is in fw_update(8). man 8 fw_update /SYNOPSIS

Re: fw_update

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:35:17 +0200, fr...@lilo.org wrote: > > How does fw_update install the drivers? It downloads firmware from http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/ and installs it as package in system. > How does it know which driver is missing on the system? It checks patterns from /usr/sha

Caddy webserver is not in the ports tree

2024-04-30 Thread Souji Thenria
Hi everyone, In the last couple of days, I played with the webserver Caddy [1] and would like to use it for some of my web applications. However, the webserver is currently not in the ports tree. Is there a specific reason for that, or has no one wanted to create and maintain the port yet? If it

Re: fw_update

2024-04-30 Thread Chris Petrik
Hello, Firmwares aren't drivers per say they are required along with the driver Chris Sent from Proton Mail Android Original Message On 4/30/24 5:35 AM, wrote: > How does fw_update install the drivers? > How does it know which driver is missing on the system? > All th

fw_update

2024-04-30 Thread fr5dh
How does fw_update install the drivers? How does it know which driver is missing on the system? All these questions to install the drivers manually (offline) Tks

Re: ubnt edgerouter 8

2024-04-30 Thread Marc Peters
Am Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 05:31:14PM UTC, schrieb Daniel Gracia: >I replaced my 8 Pro fans with Noctua units and I'm pretty happy with >them; they came with several adapters that allow you to choose the >speed of the fans. +1 for the noctua fans from me. I replaced a couple of annoying

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:17:35 +0200, Kirill A. Korinsky wrote: > > Frankly speaking I never care about watt consumption, but offline time which > is depend on it is important in my case, so here the recovered patch. > Here a bit updated version which introduced a flag -P in apmd which you may co

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Kirill A . Korinsky
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:31:21 +0200, "Nathaniel Griswold" wrote: > > > I had near the same question sometime ago but on different machine, and I've > > discovered a patch which I've inlinded into this email. > > > > Hm, ok, i'll try it. Do you have any insight into whether obsdfreqd has > similar p

Re: >10W idle power usage on framework laptop 12th gen 13inch

2024-04-30 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Nathaniel, Nathaniel Griswold wrote: I meant to clarify: I have had the battery for over a year and I’m not sure why the cycles reset to 5. I am puzzled by it. is it an genuine (really in strict sense of the term) brand battery or a compatible replacement (even if they call it "genuine"

Re: ubnt edgerouter 8

2024-04-30 Thread Janne Johansson
Den mån 29 apr. 2024 kl 17:35 skrev Daniel Gracia : > I replaced my 8 Pro fans with Noctua units and I'm pretty happy with them; > they came with several adapters that allow you to choose the speed of the > fans. For the record, I've also tried this and would recommend Noctua fans. They look as