Re: filesystems?

Also you can use ext2(3) filesystem for this purpose: BSD works quite OK with it (though with no journal support), Linux - ow, do you think it's not?:) - and there are some tools in the Internet to be able to read ext2 from Windows. Don't know about writing: you need to investigate it by yourself.

Re: How do I configure Cyclades Z serial ports with OpenBSD?

"Don Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I am running OpenBSD 4.1 stable. > I installed a Cyclades Ze PCI card, and hooked it up to the external 1U box. > > When my machine boots, I see: > > "Cyclades Cyclom-Z" rev 0x01 at pci1 dev 9 function 0 not configured > > So the OS/d

Re: How do I configure Cyclades Z serial ports with OpenBSD?

> When my machine boots, I see: > > "Cyclades Cyclom-Z" rev 0x01 at pci1 dev 9 function 0 not configured > > So the OS/driver does see the card. You have that backwards. The OS does see the card, thus the message. The "not configured" part means the OS is not configured with a driver

How do I configure Cyclades Z serial ports with OpenBSD?

Hello, I am running OpenBSD 4.1 stable. I installed a Cyclades Ze PCI card, and hooked it up to the external 1U box. When my machine boots, I see: "Cyclades Cyclom-Z" rev 0x01 at pci1 dev 9 function 0 not configured So the OS/driver does see the card. How do I get from where I am to fu

Re: filesystems?

stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm trying to decide what filesystem to use on a USB drive. I'd like to be > able to access the unit from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, and perhaps Windows. Once Windows is in the picture, you will need to go with a Microsoft file system. Most of these drives anyway

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >Haha, show me proof. Where does it say so? Come on, don't hide behind >assumptions. Where it the text below does it say so? Don't give me any >interpretation blablabla, just put some ^^^ underneath the words... > > * Copyright (c) 2007 Jiri Slaby

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Hi folks. I'm using a number of USB drives connected to the same server for backup purposes. And there will be different backup sets from the server that need to be kept separated. So I really need to be able to plug a disk into a specific USB cable and know that the correct backup set will be d

Re: filesystems?

FAT32. On 9/3/07, stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm trying to decide what filesystem to use on a USB drive. I'd like to be > able to access the unit from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, and perhaps Windows. > > What is the intersection of the sets of filesystems supported by these > various OS's? > >

filesystems?

I'm trying to decide what filesystem to use on a USB drive. I'd like to be able to access the unit from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, and perhaps Windows. What is the intersection of the sets of filesystems supported by these various OS's? -- I'm sorry, no one here has any intentions of helping you w

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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Gregg Reynolds wrote: Yes. For the dimwits pontificating on this useless thread who can't be bothered to check facts on their own, here's the relevant text (http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html): And therein lies the problem. Unless a developer went through a univers

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

>> /Putting it down to the legal point of view it implies even a "XOR" eg. >> one or the other choice, it's kind of missing the "may also" part but > > > Inexistant word in this case, so that reasoning doesn't apply. > >> that, so whatev

Re: Unable to connect to the the ISP

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With the help of Jonathon, I think I've made some progress. I changed /etc/hostname.pppoe0 to be the following: pppoedev fxp0 authproto pap authname 'MYAUTHNAME' authkey 'MYPASSWORD' !/sbin/ifconfig fxp0 up !/sbin/ifconfig \$if inet 0.0.0.0

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On 9/2/07, Dave Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC this is true for any country which has adopted the Berne > Convention, which is currently almost every country which has any > copyright law in place. It includes the U.S. Yes. For the dimwits pontificating on this useless thread who ca

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 06:15:27PM +0200, Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > * Alternatively, this software may be distributed under the terms of the > ^ (all line) > > * GNU General Public License ("GPL") version 2 as published by the Free > ^^

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Not exactly. I won't quote from the GPL again, but even the GPL has a paragraph about this. You must pass on the rights you received. ^^^ (1) Yes. The *rights you received* are the central point of t

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Dude stop yapping you are making an ass of yourself. We know your favorite audience is you. Show us your bar and people might listen to you again. As stated before, your opinion is not relevant. Your interpretation is not relevant. In fact everything you have said is not relevant. On Sun, Sep

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Blah blah blah On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 04:42:42PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 03:25:13PM +0300, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: > > > You may, of course, license your own contributions (that are significant > > > enough to be copyrightable themselves) under only one lice

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 03:25:13PM +0300, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: > > You may, of course, license your own contributions (that are significant > > enough to be copyrightable themselves) under only one license. > So what license will the derived work (consisted of dual-licensed base > code and GPL-on

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 02:07:59PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > Hello! > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:59:17PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > >On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 11:39:28AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> > In the case of the later 3 files, their copyright notice says: > >> > "a

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 01:12:18PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote in the other one: > > On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:32:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > >> Because of the choice between licenses you can either choose to adhere > >> to the GPL (thus forcing you to open u

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hello! On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 03:25:13PM +0300, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: >> You may, of course, license your own contributions (that are significant >> enough to be copyrightable themselves) under only one license. >So what license will the derived work (consisted of dual-licensed base >code and GP

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Hannah Schroeter wrote: >On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 02:25:49PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>[...] > >>Bullshit. The license retains ANY RIGHTS which are in Copyright law, >>a body of law that PRECEDES the decleration. That body of law is >>pulled in the MOMENT a "Copyright (c)

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sep 2, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:32:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: Because of the choice between licenses you can either choose to adhere to the GPL (thus forcing you to open up your changes) ^^

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra spake: On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:32:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: Because of the choice between licenses you can either choose to adhere to the GPL (thus forcing you to open up your changes) ^^^ That is false,

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Salut, On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 12:42:14PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Likewise, if you don't like the GPL, don't let it be a choice for other users. > > If your problem is that people don't give back, go knock on certain vendors who > profit from OpenSSH without contributin anything ba

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote in another message: > Maybe my choice of words wasn't clear enough. The copyright notice > tells you that *alternatively* (this means if you don't want to use > the BSD) under the terms of the GNU GPL v2. > > Alternative implies choice, you choose which alternative you

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

> You may, of course, license your own contributions (that are significant > enough to be copyrightable themselves) under only one license. So what license will the derived work (consisted of dual-licensed base code and GPL-only modifications) have?

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 02:05:09PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:19:01PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > >Hi, > > >In order to make my mind about this subject... > > >You're complaining solely of the changes in files: > > * drivers/net/wireless/ath5k.h >

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hello! On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:59:17PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 11:39:28AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> > In the case of the later 3 files, their copyright notice says: >> >"at your choice" you may distribute under the terms of the BSD >> >license

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hi! On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:19:01PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >Hi, >In order to make my mind about this subject... >You're complaining solely of the changes in files: > * drivers/net/wireless/ath5k.h > * drivers/net/wireless/ath5k_hw.c > * drivers/net/wireless/at

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 11:15:51AM +0200, Siegbert Marschall wrote: > > Its "alternatively" not "at the same time" > NO. You are using the word out of context, put it back in there and it > is simple: > > * Alternatively, this software may be distributed under the terms of the > * GNU General Publ

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 10:32:05AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Because of the choice between licenses you can either choose to adhere > to the GPL (thus forcing you to open up your changes) ^^^ That is false, only if software is distributed. >

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 11:17:40AM +0200, Siegbert Marschall wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:55:34PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> > The license is not an alternative. The alternative is between two > >> licenses. > >> > > >> > The moment one chooses one them... it's that one henceforth. >

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hello! On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 02:13:07PM +0530, Siju George wrote: >On 9/2/07, Todd T. Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Uh, why do we need to defer to courts and seek legal funds and feed the >> sharks er lawyers just to comprehend what the two words "without >> modification"? >> As I explain

Re: USB MFP dilemma

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Jonathan Gray wrote: It only shows up as one device? It doesn't detach and reattach with a different USB class when you hit a button or similiar? Nope, only one device... very strange. Of course the scanner part and the printer part both share the same ID. Basically, if ul

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hello! On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 02:25:49PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >[...] >Bullshit. The license retains ANY RIGHTS which are in Copyright law, >a body of law that PRECEDES the decleration. That body of law is >pulled in the MOMENT a "Copyright (c) YYMM author" decleration is >made. In some

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hello! On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 12:54:38AM -0400, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: >[...] > BSD Licensed code has found its way into proprietary products, with >no availability of source - Which is exactly one characteristic of BSD vs. GPL, that BSD doesn't require you to distribute source should yo

Re: USB MFP dilemma

On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 12:23:16PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > Hi. > > I'm actually playing with an Epson Stylus 4050 multifunction printer. > The printer parts works as well as the scanner *but* not at the same time. > I have to disable ulpt using config(8) and reboot if I want to be able to

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Hi, > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:56:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 11:29:11PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> > > > Yes. The *rights you received* are the central point of the >> question. >> > > > Which did the user receive? The BSD granted ones? Or the GPL

USB MFP dilemma

Hi. I'm actually playing with an Epson Stylus 4050 multifunction printer. The printer parts works as well as the scanner *but* not at the same time. I have to disable ulpt using config(8) and reboot if I want to be able to use the scanner. I don't need/use uscanner as sane-backends (scan appli

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:55:34PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> > The license is not an alternative. The alternative is between two >> licenses. >> > >> > The moment one chooses one them... it's that one henceforth. >> >> And... you are a judge? > > Theo, be as unreasonable as you want. > > The

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [..] > I wanted to understand the facts but nobody here wants to acknowledge that > 3 of those files have *alternative* licensing. Yes, indeed you can choose between the two licenses, but you CANNOT *REMOVE* either of them. Only the Copyright holder who put that lice

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:46:30PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:55:34PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > The license is not an alternative. The alternative is between two > > > > licenses. > > > > > > > > The moment one chooses one them... it's that one henceforth

Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

On 9/2/07, Todd T. Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh, why do we need to defer to courts and seek legal funds and feed the > sharks er lawyers just to comprehend what the two words "without > modification"? > > As I explained to a friend of mine minutes ago .. > > adding GPL to BSD is sad to t

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