Re: [MeeGo-dev] Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Where do I sign in? Why don't you put it at the MeeGo's wiki with the other Working Groups proposals ? Sivan On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Randall Arnold wrote: > Greetings all, > > As some of you know I've been working on a project that was called the > "Maemo User Experience Framework".  The

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Randall, would you be interested in collaborating on the QAWG ? See - http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Quality_Assurance_working_group I feel we've got some intersecting interests we should discuss. I am going to put more work on the processes and the devices I believe we need to utilize. You

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Another pressing question as I see it, you talk about automatic bug search and and offer the user to comment or vote on an existing one if a match is found. I've seen alot of bug tools in my time trying to do to the same, I have to say that the matching algorithm usually works when the user scores

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote: > Crash reporting isn't currently targeted for normal users > for few reasons: > > * Crash dumps are large and can contain private information >  (like passwords).  Hopefully in Harmattan we can can use >  minidumps that contain only enough info

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Randall, I am thinking along the line of something like a sort of "expert" system, a web ui, that offers bug/problem domains to the user to choose from. Then according to the problem domains a set of question are presented for the user to answer with minimum free text. And so on and forth. We cou

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Okay dude, I think we need to start working on this! At least start designing the data model for starters :) Sivan On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Randall Arnold wrote: > > - Original message - >> Randall, >> >>  I am thinking along the line of something like a sort of "expert" >> system

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-community] Fw: Proposal: MeeGo User Experience Framework working group

2010-03-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Warren Baird wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> >> Randall, >> >> I am thinking along the line of something like a sort of "expert" >> system, a web ui, that offers bug/problem domains to the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] What are you waiting for to happen in MeeGo?

2010-03-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I'd like to have access to an image or a scratchbox environment to start testing and experimenting with PySide on it. Also, instructions how to turn your N900 to running MeeGo. Sivan On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:31 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Quoting Carsten Munk : > >> * What are you wait

Re: [MeeGo-dev] What are you waiting for to happen in MeeGo?

2010-03-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I wonder if there's anything already to cater for keep-alive a few interpreter process such that when a script arrives, no need to set up the whole environment for that. Like is done in WSGI for that matter. Is Maemo already using something like this ? This could greatly improve scripting performa

Re: [MeeGo-dev] What are you waiting for to happen in MeeGo?

2010-03-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Jeff Moe wrote: > * Opening up of battery code (or a new implementation) for the N900. I had > been doing devel using Fedora 12 ARM (which I figure is reasonably close to > what MeeGo base will be), but after completely corrupting filesystem twice > due > to loss

Re: [MeeGo-dev] OBS and MeeGo

2010-03-16 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I am interested to know what is the state of things with OBS and MeeGo in general, relevant to the thread I replied as well. Are there repos already? Where can we experiment with OBS and put it to work already ? Sivan On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Jeremiah Foster < jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.

[MeeGo-dev] Open Sourcing software components responsible to calls and GSM/GPRS connections.

2010-03-16 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dear lists, I have an eager prospectus GSoC student, who happened to take same interest as mine in developing a sophisticated answering mechanism for the smartphones. At first we are targetting this at the N900 devices or the futuristic MeeGo devices, but I'm sure if parts of the rtcomm are open

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Working Group at Linux Collaboration Summit 2010

2010-03-16 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hey List, Does anybody know who is going to attend this WG from MeeGo ? What are the subjects and matters going to be discussed/worked on ? Is this event going to have any significance to the project development wise? BR, Sivan ___ MeeGo-dev mailing

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Instructions for ARM / N900 (was Re: Day 1 is here ...)

2010-03-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Quim, Can you also please provide the link to the document outlining how to backup and prepare before flashing the images onto the N900? e.g. how to go back to factory defaults with Maemo on it. If this doc does not exist yet, let's create it now. Sivan On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, wrot

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Instructions for ARM / N900 (was Re: Day 1 is here ...)

2010-03-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Is using the chroot in this case really like having MeeGo on the bare metal? Sivan On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 20:20 +0200, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> Quim, >> >>  Can you also please provide the link to the docu

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Instructions for ARM / N900 (was Re: Day 1 is here ...)

2010-03-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Toni Nikkanen wrote: > Well you can use the backup utility of course, but it doesnt't backup > everything. > The interesting thing to do is try to get it installed on a memory card > and try from there. I would look into the direction of Fanoush's > Bootmenu. > >

[MeeGo-dev] State of current trunk

2010-04-21 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi all, So what have we got so far? Is Meego half-decent at least to start everyday testing with at least calls and internet ? (excluding video and audio playing and ipod like functionality like in the N900) Sivan ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev

Re: [MeeGo-dev] QWidget::showEvent might be helpful for apps wanting to know if they should keep drawing.

2010-11-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Let's do it then. We already have the user story: Joe wants to know when his application's window is not to be considered "visible" == "not worth drawing or updating in UI tems" (this can be obscured, less then 20% visible when pushed sideways, screen is locked, display off). Jow wants to know whe

[MeeGo-dev] Setting up "sources" to be able upgrade from daily snapshots.

2010-11-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List, I'd like to set up my netbook to upgrade from whatever is used to create the daily netbook snapshots. For testing. What is the way to go about this? I'm thinking along the lines of setting it to use "unstable" distribution in Debian terms, so I can then zypper refresh and upgrade. I

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Setting up "sources" to be able upgrade from daily snapshots.

2010-11-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Niala, Thanks for your help. Now, I understand that the Atom chip in this netbook actually supports 64bit ? If so, is this ia32 repo good enough ? Thanks! -Sivan On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:34 PM, houpsa wrote: > Le 20/11/2010 20:21, Sivan Greenberg a écrit : >> >> Hi List,

[MeeGo-dev] Learning from Mistakes and Beyond, slides available in PDF.

2010-12-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, For those of you who have been asking for the slides, thanks to timeless they are online in .PDF here[0]. For those who found it lacking a "general" point, you're not wrong. There is no "general" point made here, other than "learn and try to not repeat" and "these solutions might help al

Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec

2010-12-07 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I'm at UTC+2 currently, so late evening would be best unless it is friday. -Sivan On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, wrote: > Hi, > >>-Original Message- >>From: Wichmann, Mats D >>Sent: 03 December, 2010 18:50 >> >> >>since there still seem to be a number of open questions, >>I'd like to s

[MeeGo-dev] SyncEvolution in bug jar but not part of meego ?

2010-12-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, In Dublin I was told that SyncEvo was replaced by Buteo since it was not extensible enough. Is it this still part of MeeGo? I keep seeing it in the bug jar reports, hence why I'm asking. Thanks -Sivan ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fwd: Qtest Mobile App Port Contest for Qt and KDE applications

2010-12-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > I don't know if this was the intention, but the name indicates that one is > supposed to write a unit test application (QTest is the namespace containing > some functions, from module QtTest). > Thanks for the clarification, I had assumed t

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Fwd: Qtest Mobile App Port Contest for Qt and KDE applications

2010-12-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Well, still it might be a good opportunity to do test driven development with qt's testing framework. -Sivan On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: > On Monday 27 Dec 2010 13:42:43 Thiago Macieira wrote: >> On Monday, 27 de December de 2010 14:37:00 S

[MeeGo-dev] Forum Nokia UX Library

2010-12-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, The FN's UX design library is public and available at[0]. Recommended reading for people designing UXs looking for guidelines and direction. Cheers, -Sivan [0]: http://library.forum.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/Design_and_User_Experience_Library/GUID-A8DF3EB8-E97C-4DA0-95F6-F464ECC995BC

Re: [MeeGo-dev] What are the advantages of developing QT apps without libmeegotouch over MTF enabled application?

2010-12-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
A related question for me as I'm going to implement a couple of UXs soon, what sort of already ready made "regular" application components are available from Qt Quick Components right now? Button, Windows, Dialogs? Can I use everything I would have used using Qt Designer default mainwindow app ske

Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec

2011-01-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] >> On Behalf Of ext Sivan Greenberg >> Sent: 7. joulukuuta 2010 18:16 >> To: Ylinen Mikko.K (Nokia-MS/Tampere) >> Cc: meego-dev@meego.com >> Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec >> >

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?

2011-01-11 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Dave! I really liked the use of the median to conclude Prof. Knuth has not done much of maintainer-ship over Tex the last couple of years, but your account felt a bit too philosophical to me. But then again it is late for me, and this is probably my own subjective experience :-) On Mon, Jan 10

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?

2011-01-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > > re. Core should not be exempt: if we look at Debian, you can't become a > maintainer of a package unless the maintainer(s) invite you to be, or > the package is abandoned. I don't think any core packages will be > abandoned any time soon, so

[MeeGo-dev] How extreme should we follow upstream? (was: Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?)

2011-01-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > You will need to presumably open some smaller-granularity bugs > ("Increase corner and edge target sizes on windows for touch events", > for example), against the appropriate module. Now, I don't know exactly > what is involved, but I can guess

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Working upstream (was: Precision of what it means to 'be responsible for' / committing to maintaining a feature/package/whatever in MeeGo?)

2011-01-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > > It seems your pointer [0] is uninitialised... > [0]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/8975 It is indeed quite small change, but not just a configuration and theme change but proper glade file and C code change. Still thi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] progressing on compliance spec

2011-01-14 Thread Sivan Greenberg
ments, we pick up the most important or critical ones through consensus or voting and set to define them in the spec. As noted before, my interested is with embodying quality principles into it. Thanks in advance, -Sivan On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Hi, > &g

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Dconf

2011-01-18 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I also recall a couple of emails about it from the beginning of the project. What has Ubuntu made already that could be served to a transitioning or testing phase ? -Sivan On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 1/19/2011 6:11 AM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: >> >> Now that the

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Perf tweak: using asynchronous I/O with sqlite (e.g. for tracker...)

2011-01-19 Thread Sivan Greenberg
In my experience, and from extensively working with couchdb[0] , to way to improve performance of software that relies on sqlite is to make the writes as short as possible and more granular. Since reads IIRC by default return immediately if there's no writing thread blocking, this has quite nice re

[MeeGo-dev] Cross development talk URL , Notification API Beta for MeeGo and Symbian

2011-01-19 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, I just wanted to update, that thanks to the wonderful Alexandra Leisse, MeeGo CO task page here[0] got a bit better with a link to Michael Samarin's talk about cross development. Michael talks about some basic guidelines to get started, and presents some interesting study cases that go a

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Dconf

2011-01-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: > > What about moving Qt Mob P&S into QtCore? QSettings is using it btw? Or has plumbing to allow usage thereof? (I now recalled I talked to you about this a long while back) -Sivan ___ MeeGo-dev m

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Should I use MeeGo Touch Framework or Qt Framework for MeeGo tablets

2011-03-02 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Is backend here referring to the system wide settings framework that is part of meego gitorious or scheduled to be open sourced? -Sivan On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:04 PM, karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>On Wednesday, 2 de March de 2011 06:52:34 Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: However,

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Announcing MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900

2011-03-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Let us hope that this will be the natural successor to Harmattan on the N9(50?) and we could use the fruits of this development on that what I'm reading is a 1GHz OMAP6 device? -Sivan On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 3/3/2011 5:36 AM, jukka.ekl...@nokia.com wrote: >>

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-architecture] Some architecture changes (MSSF / Buteo / PIM storage)

2011-03-09 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Arjan, I would like to say thank you for this. This is I hope a first move towards coherent and assertive coomunication I'd like to see more out of this project. I am not an security expert but I from my research and some personal contact with Patrick support this with a big thumbs up. I was part

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture process

2011-03-09 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi, I'd like to propose that we utilize the Spec format Ubuntu and Linaro use and track architectural changes through them, that way anybody can contribute to a spec and everybody can create one depicting what needs to be done to have to support for X or Y, or when there's need to replace somethin

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Some architecture changes (MSSF / Buteo / PIM storage)

2011-03-15 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Patrick Ohly wrote: > >> I've said before and I say it again here, I consider performance >> comparisons pointless at this time. > > Considering that e-d-s has a much more modest feature set than tracker >

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo Conferece: non-commercial proposals are also welcome!

2011-03-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I wonder what we can do to avoid this kind of mis conceptions in the future - I guess this also worth discussion at the conf :-) Thanks for the note! -Sivan On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > CROSSPOSTING ON PURPOSE - please reply only to meego-events. > > Loud and clear: 100% c

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Carsten Munk wrote: > Guys, > > I think this discussion and (passive?) agressiveness has gone on for too > long. I would propose that if you have a problem with decisions made, present > a dispute to the TSG stating your exact objections, potential solutions to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-23 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> I'd also like to add that regardless of  way the new architectural >> decisions were made, he's communication of the decision was excellent > > I t

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-24 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Carsten Munk wrote: > 2011/3/23  : >> Since lot of time was anyway lost on the subject, and it's an important >> subject, perhaps it would make sense to consecrate a wiki page to it, >> including the main use cases to be solved, the solutions proposed, the test >>

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Architecture decisions (was Re: migration (back) to EDS)

2011-03-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
This is actually quite good in my view, we have a proven working in the wild implementation in "official" , while all other components are still there to experiment with or showcase when they become mature enough. -Sivan On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24,

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2011-03-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
As me and timeless discussed in our talk, if you state a project is open , follow the statement. If the core base as not intended to be an end user platform, and is defined as an LFS project, why does it contain CSI stuff in a linux foundation bugzilla ? I propose each "client" "customer" "vendor

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2011-03-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Can we please add mandatory fields to such bug reports: - Why is it inaccessible. - ETA for opening bug report. Such that filing those bugs will be impossible without ? -Sivan On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:27 AM, wrote: > Hi Marius, > > On 3/31/11 10:07 AM, "Marius Vollmer" wrote: > >>"ext eric.

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [Meego-architecture] Another architecture direction mail

2011-04-02 Thread Sivan Greenberg
As Andrew says, it is a pleasure to finally read this sort of communication. Thank you Arjan. On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 17:07, Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> > Thanks for circulating this - communication of such decisions is an > important part of

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo Application Developer Engagement

2011-05-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Has anything progressed on this? -Sivan On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > *** [cross-posting since this is a big topic, please direct feedback > to meego-community list to keep traffic in one place] *** > > I've a bit of a plan I'd like to outline, and call for comments on

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo Application Developer Engagement

2011-05-12 Thread Sivan Greenberg
2:42 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Has anything progressed on this? > > -Sivan > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: >> *** [cross-posting since this is a big topic, please direct feedback >> to meego-community list to keep traffic in one place] **

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PDF reader for tablets running MeeGo

2011-05-13 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Is this based on the QML book reading example that circulated here some 4 months ago? -Sivan 2011/5/13 Bogdan Cristea : > On Friday, May 13, 2011 12:25:57 PM you wrote: >> Here you can find ShowMee, our fullscreen PDF reader for MeeGo, which >> has a touch interface and is targeted mainly at pres

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo app model in 2012: Rethinking the MeeGo app model to be more platform agnostic

2011-05-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
So, we've actually discussed this sort of stuff during my Quality and the Compliance spec BOF[0], I also think that HTML5 and PySide would be the way to go about this, but we need to get PySide to be an official part of MeeGO core. Maybe we can start pitching this to the TSG? I think given it is su

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo app model in 2012: Rethinking the MeeGo app model to be more platform agnostic

2011-05-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
[0]: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/bof-quality-and-compliance-specification On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > So, we've actually discussed this sort of stuff during my Quality and the > Compliance spec BOF[0], I also think that HTML5 and PySide would

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Where to post bug reports for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan?

2011-06-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
In Nokia developer, there's a special section for that. This also holds for S60 which is Nokia adaptation of Symbian.org together with their cut of UX. Mind you, I never got a response from the bugs I submitted as this is a non public issue tracking system. I would say we should try to speak to Nok

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Where to post bug reports for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan?

2011-06-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Interesting. I did not know people already have the device and want to submit kernel or userland patches for the firmware ! :) -Sivan On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:29, Andrey Ponomarenko > wrote: >> >> Could anybody explain me where to post b

Re: [MeeGo-dev] WebOS and MeeGo: Opportunities or indifference?

2011-08-20 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Although this is rather an interesting discussion, I think this should be continued over meego-community as this is not a development question but more related to developer outreach ? -Sivan On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Si Howard wrote: > That would be helpful to both parties as Ari Jakassi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo as a vehicle for Qt-based products?

2011-09-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > Obviously, we'd probably need to rethink some things like project > governance, infrastructure, etc - but provided these can be solved, > what do you all think? Can it be business as usual? > I believe so. In fact I think this could actually

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo as a vehicle for Qt-based products?

2011-09-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Nasa wrote: >>> So I'll shed some light on how I see this and how we should proceed: >>> >>> 1) Concentrate on the handset and *ONLY* on it from now onward. "Do >>> one thing and do it best (tm)". >>

Re: [MeeGo-dev] [MeeGo-community] MeeGo as a vehicle for Qt-based products?

2011-10-01 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Gabriel Beddingfield wrote: > On 09/29/2011 10:20 AM, Nasa wrote: >> >> >>> 1) Concentrate on the handset and *ONLY* on it from now onward. "Do >>> one thing and do it best (tm)". >>> >> >> Why would you exclude 4/5 of the people involved in the meego project? >> Ha

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I just think it would have been better if we (The Nokia linux organization and the fans) did not have to go through the MeeGo hurdle, and as you say in detail, look at harmattan and how slick and beautiful is as a product. (I use it in N950 as my everyday phone and no *other* OS/ device even comes

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Carsten Munk wrote: > 4) Work towards better vendor relations and software to support these > as well as easier contribution methods. > > As part of our "customer oriented" goal we're improving delivery > methods from Mer. We are designing simpler and more resilient

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robin Burchell wrote: > > OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were > apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push > package, wait for build failure type development cycle as well, and I > agree, it's far from optimal - but

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Robin Burchell wrote: > it can be looked at. We've chosen the approach of minimal change > because it means we have a working system with less effort. > I realize this, does this mean that once we find someone to sponsor the servers we just deploy OBS on it and we

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk wrote: > Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when > you're doing Debian and Debian only. OBS is different in many > different ways and allows a proper productization environment as well > as growing an organisation organicall

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Jeremiah Foster wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk wrote: >> > Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when >> >

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jeremiah Foster wrote: >> >> I think what Carsten means by "growing an organisation organically" is >> that OBS allows multiple users to create their own repositories, it >> allows us to separate different projects into different repositories for >> staging or logic

[MeeGo-dev] Making Symbian / MeeGo cross device

2010-05-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, As MeeGo is about cross vendor OS, I would like to propose to have builds of MeeGo for N8, or Symbian 3/S60 on N900. I guess I am dreaming of choosing the device and OS , given the hardware allows it. Is there a way for us to achieve that? That would be something cool to have, as provid

Re: [MeeGo-dev] How can I start developing application for Meego.

2010-05-27 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Since MeeGo will be using/deployed with the Qt framework , you could start by developing with the Qt framework. For doing both Simulated and On device app testing, you'd be delighted to meet indeed the Nokia QT mobile sdk, downloaded from here[0]. Qt is a comprehensive framework that provides alo

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Summit - Structured brainstorming format in the form of BOFs and Wiki Specs.

2010-05-28 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi All, Going over the format section in [0] I feel that so far the suggested approaches are more for a presentation event, or an expo and is less facilitating concrete brainstorming with documented results. I would like to propose that we follow the following format, and I volunteer to help t

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo on N900

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi all, Is it feasible to already use MeeGo on the N900 at least for calls and contacts and SMS functionality ? I want to employ it full time for burn down everyday usage QA already but according to what I found online it appears that there is still no UI for the tablet image? I'd be happy to s

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo on N900

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Is there some sort of defined QA process in place before it's official release? We should be allowed some time to do burn down and non-hacker user testing before it is released right? On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Milos Mandaric wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:31 +0300, Sivan G

[MeeGo-dev] Support for nVidia ION

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
List, As I read now the release for netbook does not support nVidia based boxes, when is that going to change? The only testing platform so far for MeeGo that I have is a HP Mini 311c which carries an ION based nvidia GPU and periphery. Can I help it to have a version that will be able to run on

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Support for nVidia ION

2010-05-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
PM, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On 5/29/2010 10:14 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> >> List, >> >>  As I read now the release for netbook does not support nVidia based >> boxes, when is that going to change? The only testing platform so far >> for MeeGo that I

Re: [MeeGo-dev] QA Proposals (was Re: Quality assurance of "stable" software: my battery drained in few hours)

2010-05-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:20 PM, David Greaves wrote: > Hi Sivan > > Just checking : >> >> [0]: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Quality_Assurance_working_group > > and >> >> maemo-developers mailing list > > So we should really take (or at least cc) the QAWG to meego-dev (but see > later) A

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Is Meego aimed to defeat iphone?

2010-05-31 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi Jianchun! I would not define this that way. Personally I would like to see a comparable offering from Nokia/Intel with MeeGo in terms of usability and low maintainance device/OS combination as Apple provides. >From the device Technology aspect, Nokia are already superseding Apple in several wa

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Summit - Structured brainstorming format in the form of BOFs and Wiki Specs.

2010-06-06 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Dirk Hohndel wrote: > The current plan is to have two days of a more traditional, presentation > focused conference and one day of a (for lack of a better word) > unconference. > That third day might be more what you are looking for. According to what I've read so

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Forum / mail integration (was MeeGo Summit - Structured brainstorming...)

2010-06-07 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Foster, Dawn M wrote: > A while back, we made the discussion to move the community office discussions > to the forum. After living with that decision for a month or so, I'm starting > to think that the discussions should be moved back to meego-community. The > co

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Summit - Structured brainstorming format in the form of BOFs and Wiki Specs.

2010-06-07 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > In most of the cases it is, but more often then not it can arise from > users feeling and itch but not always sure how to scratch it, for that > sometimes specification ideas are taken from a "suggestion box" or >

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Qt 4.7 packaging for MeeGo 1.1

2010-06-16 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > > Should that not be directly preferable or possible, I'd think it would > be a nice idea to have one (or more) people who sit between the two > communities step up to handle it in a similar role: applying what > MeeGo patches are necessary

[MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dear List, I hope this is a proper forum to bring this up - but I have been annoyed with the fact that once a phone call is arriving in N900 (currently with Maemo Fremantle) there is a rather large room for error when you need to take the device out of a pocket or a backpack's drawer. Since t

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
at 6:58 PM, Warren Baird wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> Dear List, >> >>  I hope this is a proper forum to bring this up - but I have been >> annoyed with the fact that once a phone call is arriving in N900 >> (currently with Ma

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Warren Baird wrote: > Perhaps slightly premature to file it as a bug when we don't know if > the MeeGo Handset UX has the problem...   I think we're supposed to > see the handset UX soon - I'd suggest waiting to see if it has the > same problem, and then file a bug

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Annoying behavior with current way to answer a phone call on Maemo, hope for improvement for N900.

2010-06-17 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Randall Arnold wrote: > I do agree that there was a serious design error on the N900 phone UI.  The > Reject button should not have the exact same prominence as the Accept, at the > very least.  Accept should be the easy default and Reject a little more > diffic

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Qt Mobility says "Hello MeeGo World!"

2010-06-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:22 AM, wrote: > Only last week we made a program decision to adopt MeeGo as our default > development environment for Qt Mobility development. This I hope is great > news for all of you. Our plan will involve porting all of the Qt Mobility > delivered APIs to the MeeGo p

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo 1.1 sensor framework

2010-06-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
By hardware independent logical sensor plugins you mean middle ware plugin that would take sensor's input process it to produce custom output for parsing by applications ? Nice to know something like that exists, if it does :-) Sivan On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Chang, Esmond wrote: > Hi G

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Handset Project Day 1 is Here

2010-06-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:44 PM, wrote: > Hi! > > > > I know… we are having small problem here with arranging download for the > N900 bits. Sorry for this. Will be fixed in few hours. Great. So we can expect soon to have an image download and the source is already there, so work can commence on

Re: [MeeGo-dev] State of N900 image after Handset Day 1

2010-06-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I would dual boot it on the N900 if you don't have any other device you can fall back to if you need critical phone functionality. But, it is interesting to know the level of openness this release carries. Sivan 2010/7/1 Freyr Magnússon : > I'm looking for some clarification regarding the curren

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Tomorrow, sorry .. RE: State of N900 image after Handset Day 1

2010-06-30 Thread Sivan Greenberg
in the earlier ones. > > Br, > //Harri > > > From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of > ext Sivan Greenberg [si...@omniqueue.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:41 AM > To: Development for the MeeGo Project (discussion list) &

Re: [MeeGo-dev] developer hardware mobile from nokia needed

2010-07-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Stone Mirror wrote: > Agreed: for a phone form factor, the N900 is what it is at the moment, and if > costs what it costs. In comparison with other comparable development > platforms, the N900 is quite reasonably priced, I've found. Indeed. My findings as well :-

Re: [MeeGo-dev] sdk

2010-07-03 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Robin Burchell wrote: > Hi Nicola, > > On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Nicola De Filippo > wrote: >> Hi, >> i would use the sdk for Meego (phone), but the SDK "Currently, the simulator >> runs only on host systems with an Intel integrated graphics controller. It >

[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo UX in VirtualBox

2010-07-04 Thread Sivan Greenberg
List, After googling around I saw there is no authoritative page with proper instructions to get up MeeGo UX (the complete UX , not just X booting or a very lightweight window manager) under VirtualBox for either Intel or nVidia host GFX chips. I suggest anybody who had success doing so, put hi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PyQt

2010-07-25 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Yes I would expect it'd be much the same way it is down for Maemo, note that you might need to download and install source versions of the tools since there might not be RPMs for that at this time. [1] http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/installation.html [2] http://www.forum.nokia.com/info

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PyQt

2010-07-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Dear Fathi, That was not my intention, well, in better- I meant heading to bind some new libs that did not exist when PyQt was created and thought of a couple of features that I will *personally* very much like in PySide once their finished, like this[0] one for example. Sorry for mis-phrasing!

Re: [MeeGo-dev] PyQt

2010-07-26 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Atilla, On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Attila Csipa wrote: > Just a smallish note from someone who follows PyQt development fairly closely > - I would not be surprised if those new libs (or at least a major subset of > them) popped up as supported under PyQt. My OBS-foo is not yet strong enoug

Re: [MeeGo-dev] ARM softfloat or hardfloat?

2010-08-05 Thread Sivan Greenberg
So MeeGo is going to be hard-floart? That's surprising to learn that Maemo is actually soft flot, but could maybe account for the bits of sluggishness experienced? When I did a soft-float point port of debian for MIPS it had severe consequences on platform's performance compared to same SOCs with a

Re: [MeeGo-dev] web-enabled

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
I think that it refers to the fact that it is very easy to write apps in Qt that use the internet, or allow web browsing and web serving consumption. But that's my guess. Sivan On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Nicola De Filippo wrote: > Him > here http://meego.com/developers/meego-api i read "Us

Re: [MeeGo-dev] web-enabled

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
What I understood from the 2 developer days, is that WRT is a javascript API to build applications, that happen to run in a browser runtime, that do not fall much behind native C++ APIs. And building on this, a Qt WRT is a WRT that binds to the Qt API to implement its functionality, instead of dire

[MeeGo-dev] missing an instruction bit

2010-08-10 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi list, I am just trying to follow the MeeGo QEMU image instructions, but when trying to start the image: si...@sivan-desktop:~/n$ ./qemugl_cmd.sh meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0729/meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0729.raw Could not access KVM kernel module: No su

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