Re: [marxmail] “Trump Could Not Be More on the Wrong Side”: New Poll Shows Trump’s Black Lives Matter Protest Response Could Cost Him 2020 | Vanity Fair

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Meeropol
Read the article --- it doesn't measure whether by creating REAL violence, Trump's use of troops might move some of the PERSUADABLES back to his side as evidence of real violence (no matter how few individuals participate in it) makes Trump's case > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Link

Re: [marxmail] GOP senator apologizes for ad that digitally enlarged his Jewish opponent’s nose – Raw Story

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Meeropol
well -- there are so few Jews in Georgia and they're all democrats, right? (Nixon said all Jews were left wing!! as my Yiddish speaking relatives would say, "H'alavai!" --- silent "H") > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Onlin

Re: [marxmail] Leading voice on welfare reform accused of racism

2020-07-28 Thread Michael Meeropol
THis takes me back to that wonderful series of articles published in book form called THE MEAN SEASON I believe it was published in1987 in response to the Reagan ADministration's demonization of "welfare queens" and a popular prejudice against people utilizing the old AFDC program --THe work w

[marxmail] [Take18NY] Conservative denier on Covid faces reality

2020-07-28 Thread Michael Meeropol
SELF-EXPLANATORY -- Forwarded message - > https://dallasvoice.com/a-harsh-lesson-in-the-reality-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0SPasAyy_31d7VygwuO4hV_jPmJWSrQqhhnhS9ee65cj2wPXZVF4lTN2c A harsh lesson in the reality of COVID-19 Jul 24, 2020 For Tony Green, the coronavirus pa

Re: [marxmail] Between Thomas Chatterton Williams and Me

2020-07-30 Thread Michael Meeropol
Thank you Louis -- an outstanding article with lots of food for thought --- worth re-reading! > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#94): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/94 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/75862966/21

Re: [marxmail] MR Online | Has anything changed since 1840? Trade, imperialism, Hong Kong and the Pearl River Delta megacity

2020-07-30 Thread Michael Meeropol
WTF?? https://mronline.org/2020/07/29/has-anything-changed-since-1840/ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > I MEAN --- China is not practicing an authoritarian form of capitalism? > "Democracy" in Hong Kong is like opium from the 1840s??? > And this is from MONTHLY REVIEW? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Grou

Re: [marxmail] How the Fascists Won World War II - CounterPunch.org

2020-08-06 Thread Michael Meeropol
Just read it --- I personally think Bruce Franklin is a meticulous researcher --- So I would take what he said seriously. (I think Martin's ALL HONORABLE MEN is a useful source about the failure of "de-nazification" after WW II) (Mike Meeropol) On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:12 AM Louis Proyect wrote

Re: [marxmail] The Beirut Explosion - Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? Is It A Faked Video Of A Missile? - bellingcat

2020-08-07 Thread Michael Meeropol
thank you, Louis. Very interesting --- useful pre-emption of types of "trutherism" re 9-11 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#229): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/229 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76053564

Re: [marxmail] Jack Rasmus: Trump's executive orders and possible coup strategy

2020-08-10 Thread Michael Meeropol
I think if Biden wins the vote, the ruling class (through the military -- Trump's "deep state") will figure out a way to make Trumpleave. Maybe Biden will promise not to prosecute him (and maybe NY AG James will "go along" for the good of the country) and he'll leave office and take up his positio

Re: [marxmail] Is Trump destroying Social Security and Medicare by accident — or on purpose? | Salon.com

2020-08-12 Thread Michael Meeropol
Don't agree --- the "austerity" ship has sailed. The progressive wing of the Dems already has virtually made cuts in entitlements a la the Ryan Budget (which admittedly Obama would have accepted as part of a "grand bargain" with the Repugs) anathema. In the context of covid-19 and the ensuing r

Re: [marxmail] Official - Disloyal The Book - Foreword by Michael Cohen

2020-08-14 Thread Michael Meeropol
Has the ring of truth. Of course, there might be all sorts of made up stuff to juice the book's sales --- but the character analysis seems right (especially paired with the guy who wrote THE ART OF THE DEAL and Mary Trump's book). So interesting that all you have to do is add an "e" and you move

Re: [marxmail] Is the Band’s “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” really a pro-Confederate anthem?

2020-08-14 Thread Michael Meeropol
WOW --- tell us how you really feel!! Please don't hold back!!!\ But seriously, check out Robert Shelton's book NO DIRECTION HOME which is a really good biography of Dylan --- he (Dylan's) got MUCH more substance than your assertion -- But, as the French say, "Chaun a son gout!" (everyone has

Re: [marxmail] Is the Band’s “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” really a pro-Confederate anthem?

2020-08-15 Thread Michael Meeropol
Thank you for the set of strong statements --- I hope what follows is (somewhat) coherent as I am "composing" rather than first-drafting -- FIRST: I start at the end with your argument against "the pleasure of art consumption" --- You are OF COURSE right that one thing capitalism has done in spa

Re: [marxmail] Is the Band’s “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” really a pro-Confederate anthem?

2020-08-15 Thread Michael Meeropol
Don't think so Mark --- "the best" is in the verse BEFORE his brother gets killed by "a Yankee" --- in the earlier verse they (Confederates) are "chopping wood" - and their "money's no good" --- they're the ones "taking what you need and leave the rest" . Thus, (QED), the "very best" is everyt

Re: [marxmail] The Challenge of Marxism - Quillette

2020-08-18 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dear Marxmail folks ---Do I get a prize for reading that dreck all the way to the end? Almost unbelievable --- I would probably take DAYS to pick apart the false assertions in this piece --- I don't know the Hebrew translation of "schmuck" but I sure wish I did so I could call him that On T

[marxmail] Charlotta WHO?

2020-08-18 Thread Michael Meeropol
How many people heard the name CHARLOTTA BASS when someone at the Democratic convention (maybe one of the nominators?) mentioned a list of women who had run for President or Vice PResident and included Shirley Chisholm and CHARLOTTA BASS. Quick quiz --- who was she? She was the nominee of the PRO

Re: [marxmail] Left Unity

2020-08-20 Thread Michael Meeropol
what will that "accelerate?"The demonstrators in the street that came out after George Floyd was murdered got some GIVE from the powers that be --- with Trump in for four more years, with the judiciary re-made, with Barr still as A.G. and the Senate able to block anything the House does, he wil

Re: [marxmail] Kamala Harris’s Father, a Footnote in Her Speeches, Is a Prominent Economist

2020-08-21 Thread Michael Meeropol
Don Harris was a wonderful economics professor at Wisconsin (in fact, Annie and I had him, Shamyla (sp?) and little Kamala to dinner in 1968 or 69) when I was a graduate student. I had numerous fruitful conversations with him --- he is a brilliant Mathematical economist AND a Marxist --- which is

Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
> > I am not saying we should not participate in bourgeois elections,I am > saying we ought to apply the standards Lenin wrote about one hundred years > ago,to the parties we support.Are they a party of the working class?Are > they working to support,and build,class conciousness?If not,then why sho

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
Peter of course makes a good point -- I don't think the white working class is actually "pro-capitalist" but they are definitely anti-communist which includes being anti-socialist (I think it's mostly younger people who have a relatively favorable view of "socialism" --- whatever that actually mean

Re: [marxmail] Back to Mike Meeropol

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
THoughts on Peter's post --- I put "white" in front of working class to distinguish those folks who are more susceptible to racist infection than the rest of the multi-racial, multi-cultural working class --- The point is that there are countless examples of class unity being disrupted --- (someti

Re: [marxmail] Back to Mike Meeropol

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
OOPS -- forgot to scrub. My Bad! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#712): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/712 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76355485/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneou

Re: [marxmail] Again, back to Mike

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
I sure wish I agreed 100% with Peter's last sentence --- certainly there was evidence of that in the CIO organizing --- My overall point being: While these differences are real, and that > Socialist Equality Party point of advocacy that class is the only issue is > simply wrong, we have more in c

[marxmail] my latest

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
>From Comrade H. Bruce Franklin -- - From: H. Bruce FRANKLIN https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/21/which-side-are-you-on-4/ -- H. Bruce Franklin The John Cotton Dana Professor of English and American Studies, Rutgers-Newark, Emeritus "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is,

Re: [marxmail] Regarding the article in "The Bellows" on Strasserism that Louis posted

2020-08-25 Thread Michael Meeropol
Thank you for these postings -- as an "outsider" who reads very little of this "intra-left dialogue" I am amazed --- this discussion is VERY USEFUL for such outsiders like me (and perhaps there are a lot on this list, who knows) AH -- life was so much "simpler" in the period when the US was w

[marxmail] The Radicalism of Woody Guthrie

2020-08-28 Thread Michael Meeropol
I don't know why Will Kaufman is "uncertain" about Woody's "communism" --- At the beginning of a well known biography of Woody, Pete Seeger is quoted as saying definitively that "Woody was a communist." It is conceivable that he was a "very close" "Fellow Traveler" rather than an actual member, b

Re: [marxmail] The Radicalism of Woody Guthrie

2020-08-29 Thread Michael Meeropol
in reply to Jerry's post --- it's probably time to re-read the essay by Noam Chomsky in AMERICAN POWER AND THE NEW MANDARINS entitled "The Revolutionary Pacifism of A.J. Muste" ---which focuses on "the Pacific War" ---don't remember it will, except that Noam used it as a way of "testing" whether pr

Re: [marxmail] NPR stumps for adventurism

2020-08-29 Thread Michael Meeropol
Perfect response to the armchair theorist in favor of "looting" -- >From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about Kenosha: Scott Carpenter is trying to push ahead. He runs the family-owned B&L Office Furniture at 1101 60th St. After Blake's shooting and the initial protests, he remained hopeful that

Re: [marxmail] The Radicalism of Woody Guthrie

2020-08-30 Thread Michael Meeropol
TO Jerry --- Let's also remember (and I certainly was guilty of this in my teen years) that there were lies heaped on lies told about the left in the US --- my brother always gives this example: The communist party is at a demonstration where the police come in and crack heads and the newspapers

Re: [marxmail] Acces to this Bloomberg Article?

2024-01-21 Thread Michael Meeropol
let's all dust off our BARAN and SWEEZY ---(Monopoly Capital --- showing my age, right?) --- especially the chapter MILITARISM and IMPERIALISM. They argue that the ONLY really good way to push the "wolf" of stagnation from the door in the age of Monopoly Capitalism is to prepare for war or (BETTER

Re: [marxmail] "the Democratic Party Hates America" by Mark Levin

2024-02-15 Thread Michael Meeropol
Hi Dennis --- one clarification --- I think Trump has already promised the biggest mass detention in history for "illegals" --- not for leftists. (though if there were demonstrations, he would use the insurrection act to cow, intimidate, and (if the demonstrators were black) shoot to kill . W

Re: [marxmail] Startling (well to me anyway) thoughts from Ilan Pappe

2024-02-16 Thread Michael Meeropol
I agree with you, Hari --- Using the South African analogy, the only way Pappe can be right is if Israel becomes as ISOLATED as was the Apartheid regime --- Unlike South Africa where the fall of the Berlin Wall signalled the end of the "Soviet bloc" and thus the US did not need to support them any

Re: [marxmail] Startling (well to me anyway) thoughts from Ilan Pappe

2024-02-16 Thread Michael Meeropol
Marv's post reminds me of Paul Baran's rejoinder to Alfred Marshall. Marshall made as his motto at the beginning of his Principles of Economics book the Latin translation of "Nature Makes no Leaps." Baran argued the opposite (which he also put in Latin) --- "Nature Makes Leaps!" certainly th

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-20 Thread Michael Meeropol
Marv's point is VERY WELL TAKEN and to be honest, I am uncertain what the "right" answer would be in November if the killing in GAZA has not stopped and Netanyahu's war aims not thwarted --- That does not mean that the votes against Biden in Democratic primaries are not valuable --- they woul

Re: [marxmail] Harlan County, USA

2024-02-21 Thread Michael Meeropol
The story of the Hormel strike reminds me of the long (and ultimately unsuccessful) miners' strike in Great Britain --- It was a major test case for national (and international -- there were fund raisers for the miners all over the US as well) resistance to THatcherism and despite the loss, the min

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
Mark is 100% right --- the Democrats' surrender (the title of my book by the way shameless plug --- and it's free on line!) actually begins in the Carter Administration --- I might date it from the failure to pass a miniscule Labor Law "reform" and the cut in captial gains taxes in 1978 as wel

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
COme on folks --- we should be a bit more open-minded to those we disagree with --- after all, to quote someone for whom I have a lot of respect: "NOTHING WORKS, SO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE TRIED!" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Onli

Re: [marxmail] Foreign Affairs : The Age of Amorality

2024-02-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
The thing that never fails to amaze me (and of course it shouldn't) is that the official organs of the US ruling class are often very frank about "our" needs and methods and goals (and even reasons) but the way that information gets to the rest of the public is through the "we are the greatest" fil

Re: [marxmail] Foreign Affairs : The Age of Amorality

2024-02-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
lestianians a Trump foreign policy would actually be On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:56 PM Michael Meeropol via groups.io wrote: > The thing that never fails to amaze me (and of course it shouldn't) is > that the official organs of the US ruling class are often very frank about > &quo

Re: [marxmail] At what stage do United Frontists vs Trump pull the plug on Biden?

2024-02-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
Here's the most serious problem (IM not so HO) --- whereas the "breakdown controversy" that was rampant from the time Capital Vol I was published with that stirring passage that ended "the expropriators are expropriated" through the Great Depression was based on the idea that the capitalist recurre

Re: [marxmail] Howie Hawkins on Stein and West.

2024-02-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
very thoughtful and well reasoned --- but I really have a problem with both West and Stein as individual candidates ... when we tried to organize the WISCONSIN ALLIANCE in 1968 - 72 Wisconsin, we tried to make an important distinction between a THIIRD PARTY and a Third TICKET --- the ticket was a

Re: [marxmail] New doubts are emerging about the New York Times’s coverage of sexual violence in the October 7 attack.

2024-02-26 Thread Michael Meeropol
BY the way -- the Times as the "newspaper of record" has a LONG history of slanting the news in the direction the rulling class wants it to go --- During the 1980s, there was even a brief newsletter called LIES OF OUR TIMES which made a habit of "catching" the Times on certain slants --- I have g

Re: [marxmail] "Games of Khrushchev and the boys"

2024-03-07 Thread Michael Meeropol
I think the major take-away has to be what Piketty said --- the privileges of the party elite were very dramatic and impossible to quantify The ability of "managers" to skim a little off the top (bureaucracies are infinitely corruptible!) meant that measured inequality was completel

Re: [marxmail] "Games of Khrushchev and the boys"

2024-03-07 Thread Michael Meeropol
following up on Marv's point about the way Soviet workers were "inducedf" to increase productivity all planned goals were set in QUANTITIES not "values" as under capitalism. THis, unfortunately, led to irrationalities --- for example, if the nail quota was in NUMBERS of nails, they were made

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-12 Thread Michael Meeropol
Much as I hate to disagree with Comrade Marv --- and I do , this is not a gratuitous aside I would like to (everyone knows what's coming) agree with the reviewer that Trump and Trumpism are a "fascism on the march" --- I do --- however -- agree that the swipe at "identity politics fanatics" wa

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Am SO GLAD Dave weighed in on the site. As an avid reader of his book and viewer of his film --- and a "somewhat interested party" (that's a somewhat weak attempt at gallows humor) given that my parents were killed for what Fuchs and Ted did I was privileged to meet Ted and Joan (and their daughte

Re: [marxmail] A Compassionate Spy

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dear Dave --- and all --- The evidence is now clear that the way the FBI investigation of my father unfolded was that they knew of a spy code named "Liberal" who had co-conspirators (forget their code names) and a wife named "Ethel" who had recruited the wife's brother and sister-in-law === code na

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dave, let's not forget Fuchs made the same decision as TED ... On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:39 PM Dave Lindorff wrote: > My view is that Oppenheimer should have done what Ted Hall did, or used > his considerable clout to convince Roosevelt to bring America's wartime, > the Soviet Union in on the b

Re: [marxmail] Warning to America: Hungarian Green on Authoritarianism

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dennis, the world is ridiculously complicated --- think of the Trotskyists who witnessed the MURDER of Trotsky, the famine in Ukraine, the betrayal of Poland (Nazi-Soviet Pact) etc. YET they still supported the defense of the Soviet Union when Hitler invaded. You know who's a great supporter of Pu

Re: [marxmail] Oppenheimer< victory at the Academy Awards - World Socialist Web Site

2024-03-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
I do think that the ruling class has NO INTEREST in fascism because the working class is so weak --- but Trump is "SUI GENERIS" --- he is an individual grifter who sees the Presidency is the ultimate grift --- ON THE WAY, however, he will empower the American "ORBANITES" who think they'll protect w

Re: [marxmail] Warning to America: Hungarian Green on Authoritarianism

2024-03-14 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dennis and John --- You are both making good points --- Your hypotheticals definitely sit me up straight -- Gotta do some serious thinking --- (One of my "hopes" is that Biden will get Netanyahu to stop before he ethnically cleanses all of GAZA) If the war is going on in November, I may have to

Re: [marxmail] The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-16 Thread Michael Meeropol
I have learned a lot from the debate but I wonder if all the talk about commanding heights and which entity "owns" the means of production is leaving out the most important issue --- what is the power relationship at the POINT of production. Are workers even partially in CONTROL? (in the old Sovi

Re: [marxmail] Claims of Mass Rape by Hamas Unravel Upon Investigation

2024-03-18 Thread Michael Meeropol
sorry to be a skunk at the picnic (a bad habit, I know) but what is the point? Did Hamas behave according to the rules of war by making sure that only soldiers were shot and all civilians were not shot? Is Hamas an organization that respects human life, not like the murderous Israelis who bomb c

Re: [marxmail] The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-18 Thread Michael Meeropol
maybe a historical analogy will help in the discussion of whether rivalry between the US and CHina has within the the danger of (sorry for the buzz-word) "inter-imperialist war". What led to WW I was the division of the world capitalist system into competing blocs --- what almost led to WW III was

Re: [marxmail] Claims of Mass Rape by Hamas Unravel Upon Investigation

2024-03-18 Thread Michael Meeropol
again -- apologies for sounding like a blockhead --- but suppose there were no rapes and the Israeli government did NOT make up stories --- would the Israeli people therefore NOT react as violently to the murder of civilians, including babies? would they have forced their government not to engage

Re: [marxmail] The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-19 Thread Michael Meeropol
Once the Soviets decided they would have to build "socialism in one country" at least for the "time being" (which in the end lasted at least till WW II --- after WWII there was a :"socialist bloc":that MIGHT have been able to overcome "backwardness". "underdevelopment". whatever one wants to call

Re: [marxmail] TITLE CHANGE TO TOO EARLY or not? Re: The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-19 Thread Michael Meeropol
OK, Hari --- I will (try) to bite --- Let's see if I can only deal with what you specifically asked of me -- On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 6:18 PM hari kumar wrote: > > > The question for me - is how does that appreciation - retrospectively - of > a 'historically premature' rising - change what Marxi

Re: [marxmail] Title Change: Too early or not?

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Meeropol
very quick question for Hari did you read the first few volumes of E.H.Carr's history? I myself was very taken with the thoroughness of his research and the honesty of his presentation --- and of course he was no Marxist-Leninist --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all

Re: [marxmail] H-Net Review [H-CivWar]: Summers on Suri, 'Civil War by Other Means: America's Long and Unfinished Fight for Democracy'

2024-03-20 Thread Michael Meeropol
I imagine there has been SOME research since Foner's majestic RECONSTRUCTION, but I bet reading that closely gives one almost all one needs to know in terms of remembering that PAST IS PROLOGUE -- this review does a good service --- glad I don't have to read that book. On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 10:

Re: [marxmail] Are Hamas and Israel “Equally Reactionary”?

2024-03-21 Thread Michael Meeropol
I stopped reading when I read that Hamas is not a terrorist organization --- It is --- Israel is a terrorist state --- Those are facts. (Of course whenever one asserts that she/he "knows" something "for a fact" it is essential to admit he/she MIGHT be wrong --- so I admit, I might be wrong --- b

Re: [marxmail] TITLE CHANGE TO TOO EARLY or not? Re: The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dear Hari --- so now I am confessing ignorance (and an ignorance of "commission" not omission) --- I thought Putin's government has "owned up" to the Katyn massacre am I wrong? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29629): h

Re: [marxmail] TITLE CHANGE TO TOO EARLY or not? Re: The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
Hari, the only thing I know about Tukachevsy is that in Deutcher's biography of Stalin he (D.) says that Tukachevsky actually tried to take out Stalin -- he was brave enough to see what Stalin was doing to his beloved Bolshevik Revolution and tried to stop him --- in other words, he didn't become a

Re: [marxmail] TITLE CHANGE TO TOO EARLY or not? Re: The economic systems of Fascism and Communism, including the present-day People's Republic of China

2024-03-24 Thread Michael Meeropol
Hari --- your reading is PRODIGIOUS !!! very informative though my head started spinning --- My Deutscher memory is from STALINI A POLITICAL BIOGRAPHY not from the TROTSKY trilogy -- and there I am almost certain (with memory lapses always possible) that Duetscher came down on the side that T

Re: [marxmail] Resisting the new McCarthyism

2024-03-26 Thread Michael Meeropol
Dennis could not be more right --- what we have called "McCarthyism" begins as early as 1946 with the adoption by Truman of the so-called Loyalty PRogram --- the red baiting of Henry Wallace's progressives was organized by Clark Clifford for the Truman campaign -- long before that, for example, Hub

Re: [marxmail] Resisting the new McCarthyism

2024-03-26 Thread Michael Meeropol
Just read the article -- I know and respect Ellen Schrecker but I think she emphasizes the PARTISAN nature of "McCarthyism" too much --- YES, Republicans wanted to tar the New Deal with the communist brush but liberal democrats were ini the FOREFRONT of the anti-communist fights. When the Taft Ha

Re: [marxmail] ML-ist Greg Godels on the contradictory nature of the People's Republic of China

2024-03-26 Thread Michael Meeropol
Wow, Steven -- very interesting. I wonder if I am convinced?? --- I mean, when you have a political superstructure -- even one as varied as the United states --- cannot we argue that there clearly is a dominant mode of production that emerged over the course of the 19th century which sure as Hell

Re: [marxmail] ML-ist Greg Godels on the contradictory nature of the People's Republic of China

2024-03-27 Thread Michael Meeropol
I would argue in response to Marv that the fight against imperialism is not a fight in favor of the countries that are being exploited by the imperialists --- though, of course, I admit that in the 1960s I thought the Vietnamese were going to build socialism --- and perhaps I thought that defending

Re: [marxmail] Iran attack on Israel: A Hypothesis

2024-04-14 Thread Michael Meeropol
Hari -- I join Michael in saying I think you are right about the US and IRAN -- however --- Netanyahu is trying to force a further escalation and Biden is going to have to threaten a complete cut off to get Netanyahu to stop engaging in further provocations --- that's the difficult situation ...

Re: [marxmail] Iran attack on Israel: A Hypothesis

2024-04-15 Thread Michael Meeropol
And remember, the US media makes it seem like the Iranian "attack" was some kind of danger to Israel as opposed to a "show" for their domestic supporters. Biden is TRYING to get Israel to "take the win" but unless he threatens a real cut-off in aid, I think Netanyahu will continue trying to provok

Re: [marxmail] Iran attack on Israel: A Hypothesis

2024-04-15 Thread Michael Meeropol
One other issue --- has Israel been emboldened to actually continue ratcheting up the pressure on Iran to respond more completely so the Israelis can go to war with Iran is Netanyahu that crazy?? and is Biden that toothless?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages

Re: [marxmail] Foreign Affairs: The Talks That Could Have Ended the War in Ukraine

2024-04-17 Thread Michael Meeropol
you are absolutely right, Mark --- no purges --- let us just imagine the STRENGTH and INTENSITY of Louis' refutation -- but I bet it would have been a decent back and forth. So to bore people with something I suggested about two years ago --- here's my historical analogy (and admittedly it's not

Re: [marxmail] USC cancels commencement speech from Muslim valedictorian after she shared link to anti-Israel website (The Forward)

2024-04-18 Thread Michael Meeropol
WOW -- what an incredible young woman --- I hope she publishes the text of the speech she would have given --- it will get more play than if she had just given it to her classmates and visitors On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:08 AM jimfarmelant via groups.io wrote: > > https://www.counterpunch.org/2

[marxmail] wouldn't it be fabulous

2024-04-19 Thread Michael Meeropol
Operation Dixie, Mark II is up and running https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/opinion/uaw-southern-republicans-unions.html?campaign_id=39&emc=edit_ty_20240419&instance_id=120966&nl=opinion-today®i_id=59542766&segment_id=164214&te=1&user_id=e34224fbe0b7ae7eac485434278fa4fe Wonder what folks like u

Re: [marxmail] The Two-State Solution Is an Unjust, Impossible Fantasy

2024-04-22 Thread Michael Meeropol
RE: A single democratic state in Palestine ... Here's a problem I have had ever since many people have (perhaps rightly --- I am relatively ignorant) concluded that a two-state solution is impossible Can different "groups" however identified --- either racially as in the US --- European-Amer

Re: [marxmail] The Two-State Solution Is an Unjust, Impossible Fantasy

2024-04-23 Thread Michael Meeropol
Thank you, Hari. VERY THOUGHTFUL -- will require re-reading and more thought --- BUT you have correctly hit on the issue that "bothers" me --- and (on first read) I believe there does not appear to be any kind of "easy" answer --- quick thought about "nation" and religion --- Oftentimes, a nation

Re: [marxmail] Students Across U.S. Protest for Palestine as Campus Crackdown Intensifies

2024-04-26 Thread Michael Meeropol
and 300 were arrested in Brooklyn's GRAND ARMY PLAZA celebrating a SEDER demanding that Majority Leader Shumer cut off military aid to Israel -- The NY Times chose not to cover it in today's paper --- I bet the reason is that almost all of those arrested were Jewish --- yes --- they can call us "

[marxmail] From World War II to Gaza:

2024-04-26 Thread Michael Meeropol
This has a bit of "rose-colored" glasses in it but it gives a pretty good summary of the role of organized labor --- the "mis-leading" of the leadership as it supported the Cold War --- and the growing opposition to that leadership on US foreign policy from within the Labor Movement --- I also like

[marxmail] The Right Reads Gramsci: Project 2025 and Neo-Fascism

2024-04-28 Thread Michael Meeropol
this guy buys the "ruling class splits" argument so I figured comrades on this list might be interested in digging into his argument WARNING -- It;s LONG -- Forwarded message - From: Portside Date: Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 9:37 PM Subject: The Right Reads Gramsci: Project 2025 a

Re: [marxmail] The Right Reads Gramsci: Project 2025 and Neo-Fascism

2024-04-28 Thread Michael Meeropol
which makes pressing BIden to "DO SOMETHING" to stop Netanyahu absolutely essential for the survival of what little remains of "American democracy" --- otherwise, he's toast On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 11:58 AM David Walters via groups.io wrote: > The article is very accurate. I've read the Project

Re: [marxmail] The genocide in Gaza will also be the end of Israel

2024-05-01 Thread Michael Meeropol
There are two ways Settler Colonies can go --- One is the French Army of Resistance to Algerian independence which involved at least one almost successful effort to assassinate DeGaulle. Most of them (Pieds Noirs) left Algeria after independence. But there is also the decision of the South Afric

Re: [marxmail] to "Never Biden" voters: We need a plan

2024-05-01 Thread Michael Meeropol
TOTALLY AGREE JOHN --- communities of resistance --- On the Reproductive Rights Front that must include an UNDERGROUND RAILROAD to both deliver people to places that still support abortion rights and deliver mail order contraceptives and PLAN A and PLAN B pills. A tweak of your willingness to giv

Re: [marxmail] May Day greetings

2024-05-01 Thread Michael Meeropol
My favorite remains PAINT 'ER RED by Ralph Chaplin --- I think it was the Wobblies' theme song Come with us you working men, and join the rebel band, Come you discontented ones, and give a helping hand. We march against the parasite, to drive him from the land, With one big industrial union, This

Re: [marxmail] 37 years - Ben Linder – Presente!

2024-05-01 Thread Michael Meeropol
I am glad to see the current Nicaraguan government is doing some things of valuable for the people On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 12:44 PM Dennis Brasky via groups.io wrote: > https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/05/01/ben-linder-37-years-presente/ > > > _ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You

Re: [marxmail] On Tuesday, Biden demonized the protesters as hate groups.

2024-05-05 Thread Michael Meeropol
John, I respect what you are saying and especially your practice --- I would argue that in a situation where workers have completely lost "faith" in the alleged "pro-labour" party --- in the US that would be the Democrats --- the real problem is how many workers are seduced by the siren Song of "T

Re: [marxmail] The liberal establishment and the Rosenberg case

2024-05-05 Thread Michael Meeropol
THank you Mark --- I find the analogy to Earl Warren interesting --- Let us remember that Hugo Black, the "great' defender of Civil Liberties on the Supreme Court has been part of the ruling that permitted the incarceration of the Japanese Americans --- From what I learned from the details in the K

Re: [marxmail] On Tuesday, Biden demonized the protesters as hate groups.

2024-05-05 Thread Michael Meeropol
UCLA was worse than that --- The short bursts of informations we have about UCLA does not tell the whole of it -- from what I've heard (and there will be more extensive writing soon) there was not just ONE attack --- the mob was energized and attacked continuously from the moment the Chancellor d

Re: [marxmail] The myth of multipolarity

2024-05-05 Thread Michael Meeropol
WHat these writers do not seem to understand --- it seems only novelists can do things like that --- is that as the global-warming induced environmental catastrophes pile up all over the world, the CHINESE version of capitalism is much more capable to responding quickly to the changes that will be

Re: [marxmail] The myth of multipolarity

2024-05-05 Thread Michael Meeropol
please don'[t get me wrong -- I believe millions will die in China during the response to catastrophe but the cnetralized state will remake the economy as carbon neutral MUCH FASTER than the rest of the world --- and the massive populatioin transfers that will be necessary will also be possible ---

Re: [marxmail] Student resistance to the Gaza genocide is spurring a crisis for Democrats and the progressive coalition

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Meeropol
and according to the headlines in HAARETZ, Hamas has called Biden's bluff -- wonder how Netanyhu will wriggle out of this one! On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:10 PM Dennis Brasky via groups.io wrote: > The student protests erupting across American universities represent > something far beyond a cyclic

Re: [marxmail] Russia Hosts Large Far Right Conference Attacking LGBTQ+ Rights, “Russophobes,” and “Globalists” - Global Project Against Hate and Extremism

2024-05-09 Thread Michael Meeropol
far cry from the original COMITERM, eh? So sad On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:01 PM Michael Pugliese via groups.io wrote: > Russia Hosts Large Far Right Conference Attacking LGBTQ+ Rights, > “Russophobes,” and “Globalists” > > > > https://globalextremism.org/post/russia-hosts-large-far-right-con

Re: [marxmail] Antifascism After Gaza

2024-05-09 Thread Michael Meeropol
Very provocative point, Michael. But I am not sure that imperialism with it's incredibly repressive (at times genocidal) behavior "on the periphery" tells us anything about the political economy of the "mother country." For example --- the increased "democracy" in Great Britain going all the way

[marxmail] Global Elections in the Shadow of Neoliberalism

2024-05-10 Thread Michael Meeropol
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[marxmail] Global Elections in the Shadow of Neoliberalism

2024-05-10 Thread Michael Meeropol
Stiglitz is someone who rose to the heights of policy-making and took a good look and HONESTLY reported on what he saw -- He's no Marxist but he is a total realist about the failures of the most recent version of capitalism -- -- Forwarded message - From: Portside Date: Fri, Ma

Re: [marxmail] Palestine and History: Macklemore v. Hillary Clinton

2024-05-12 Thread Michael Meeropol
I remember very well the "drumbeat" that the Israelis had offered the Palestinians "peace" and Arafat refused the "nit-picking" detail guy, Noam Chomsky noted that the proposed map of the "generaous offer" was NEVER published --- all we had was the WORD of the pro-Israelis that the offer had b

Re: [marxmail] [The Washington Post] Time is up for neoliberals

2024-05-13 Thread Michael Meeropol
No question Stiglitz is no Marxist --- I wonder if he ever considered it seriously When he was a graduate student at Cambridge University, he was very much into very high powered mathematical economics --- (and he was only there one year) --- I think his experiences in the real world woke him

Re: [marxmail] [The Washington Post] Time is up for neoliberals

2024-05-14 Thread Michael Meeropol
> On May 13, 2024, at 7:02 AM, Michael Meeropol via groups.io gmail@groups.io> wrote: > > > > I would love to see, say, Monthly Review do a detailed analysis of > Stiglitz's oeuvre --- > > Not a detailed analysis but a brief critique of Stiglitz' latest book

Re: [marxmail] [The Washington Post] Time is up for neoliberals

2024-05-15 Thread Michael Meeropol
d but of course the current beneficiaries of the fossil-fuel based economy have a lot of power to thwart those changes --- On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:16 AM Mark Baugher via groups.io wrote: > > > > On May 14, 2024, at 3:13 PM, Michael Meeropol via groups.io gmail@groups.io> wro

Re: [marxmail] [The Washington Post] Time is up for neoliberals

2024-05-16 Thread Michael Meeropol
I have always been skeptical about long wave theory --- the one piece I remember reading by Kondratieff himself used PRICE WAVES as indicators of long waves --- and both he and Schumpeter seemed to think "long waves" were endogenous like the "regular" business cycle --- SSA theory argues that a se

[marxmail] Ny times today

2024-05-19 Thread Michael Meeropol
Fascinating article on front page of NY Times today. “New Centrism” -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#30402): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/30402 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/106185658/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULE

Re: [marxmail] The US ban on Chinese EV's

2024-05-21 Thread Michael Meeropol
Reading the information about Chinese workers engaging in (very dangerous) acts of resistance suggests a possible parallel --- American Slavery (in the US) created a system of total oppression where the lives of enslaved people were totally circumscribed by rules set both by owners and the governm

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