Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-21 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Axel Schwenke wrote: >> But to put things in context, in MySQL 5.0 series the situation was >> the opposite: The bugs were public but the publicly released  and GPL >> licensed bug fixes would be up to 6 months delayd in favor of paying >> customers getting them in

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-18 Thread Alex Yurchenko
Hi Clint, First of all let me say that I wholeheartedly appreciate the decision you announced earlier, I think it is well balanced and thought through. So what follows is just for the sake of discussion. How do 99.99% of software vendors support their general public? By publishing software u

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alex Yurchenko's message of Fri Feb 17 05:57:03 -0800 2012: > Finally! A post that makes all wrong points! > > On 2012-02-17 11:53, Björn Boschman wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > > > Am 16.02.2012 19:33, schrieb Alex Esterkin: > >> As an end user, I would most strongly dislike this. You cle

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-17 Thread Alex Yurchenko
Finally! A post that makes all wrong points! On 2012-02-17 11:53, Björn Boschman wrote: Hi Alex, Am 16.02.2012 19:33, schrieb Alex Esterkin: As an end user, I would most strongly dislike this. You clearly don't understand how corporate users think and operate, how they work with open source

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-17 Thread Axel Schwenke
Henrik Ingo wrote: > > For completeness, let me also defend Oracle for a change :-) There's > also the 3rd option: > > * Stay with MySQL and blindly apply the updates that Oracle continues > to release as GPL. > But to put things in context, in MySQL 5.0 series the situation was > the opposit

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-17 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! > "Henrik" == Henrik Ingo writes: Henrik> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Walter Heck wrote: >> As for MariaDB, I like their much more community driven development >> that seems less commercially driven, Henrik> ... >> At this point I think MariaDB would probably be a better match f

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-17 Thread Henrik Ingo
2012/2/17 Björn Boschman : > This leads us to the following options: >  * Stay with MySQL but no security nor bugfixes >  * Search for an alternative which is even 100% compatible with MySQL + > having full community support For completeness, let me also defend Oracle for a change :-) There's also

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-17 Thread Björn Boschman
Hi Alex, Am 16.02.2012 19:33, schrieb Alex Esterkin: As an end user, I would most strongly dislike this. You clearly don't understand how corporate users think and operate, how they work with open source technologies, and how they plan and evolve their technical roadmaps. I think I understand

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Stewart Smith
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:55:58 +0200, Walter Heck wrote: > I think it would be fair to take into account both the things Colin > and Stewart have said as many of them are correct, but their words > should also be taken with a grain of salt as they work for the > companies that would benefit heavily

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Stewart Smith
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:33:50 +0100, Bjoern Boschman wrote: > On 16.02.2012 00:57, Henrik Ingo wrote: > > Percona Server is like MariaDB in that both of them are compatible > > with MySQL and you could do a plug-and-play replacement. Percona > > Server is much closer to MySQL (which many think is

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
I agree 100%. Even though I'm a huge fan of PostgreSQL*,* if the standard database has been MySQL, then the next release must stay MySQL or something that's a drop-in replacement of (e.g. MariaDB). After all, those using PostgreSQL are skillful enough to know how to install PostgreSQL when they n

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Fabio T. Leitao
Great stuff, What ever the choice, even if it is to keep MySQL alone, lets remember MySQL will not be dropped ! Any one would still be able to install the Oracle GA if they wanted to (from some repository, probably partner, or even main) If indeed there is a replacement, I can only talk about wha

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Colin Charles
Hi! On 16 Feb 2012, at 17:24, Henrik Ingo wrote: > Clearly I was unclear in my previous email. The 2 year support is not > true for any of the alternatives. MySQL gives 5 years (and more for > customers that pay), Percona trails MySQL so they also end up doing 5 > years (and more for paying custo

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Walter Heck wrote: > As for MariaDB, I like their much more community driven development > that seems less commercially driven, ... > At this point I think MariaDB would probably be a better match for > being in the main ubuntu/debian distro's as their whole ecosy

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Bjoern Boschman wrote: > More features even though they only apply to niche user are in general > nothing bad. Many DBAs tend to be very conservative and like a less is more approach, but personally I agree with you. I wish there was fork with everything: all the

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Bjoern Boschman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16.02.2012 09:55, Walter Heck wrote: > I think it would be fair to take into account both the things > Colin and Stewart have said as many of them are correct, but their > words should also be taken with a grain of salt as they work for > the compan

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Walter Heck
I think it would be fair to take into account both the things Colin and Stewart have said as many of them are correct, but their words should also be taken with a grain of salt as they work for the companies that would benefit heavily from having 'their' fork be the replacement of mysql. That's not

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Bjoern Boschman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 16.02.2012 08:40, Henrik Ingo wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Bjoern Boschman > wrote: >> On 16.02.2012 00:57, Henrik Ingo wrote: >>> Percona Server is like MariaDB in that both of them are >>> compatible with MySQL and you could do

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-16 Thread Bjoern Boschman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 16.02.2012 00:57, Henrik Ingo wrote: > Percona Server is like MariaDB in that both of them are compatible > with MySQL and you could do a plug-and-play replacement. Percona > Server is much closer to MySQL (which many think is great), shall >

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Bjoern Boschman wrote: > On 16.02.2012 00:57, Henrik Ingo wrote: >> Percona Server is like MariaDB in that both of them are compatible >> with MySQL and you could do a plug-and-play replacement. Percona >> Server is much closer to MySQL (which many think is great),

Re: [Maria-discuss] [debian-mysql] MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

2012-02-15 Thread Colin Charles
Hi! On 13 Feb 2012, at 15:20, Eddie Bachle wrote: > As Linux gains more public recognition, more and more Windows-only > organizations will consider using it as an alternative, especially for their > web servers. This is especially true because of the fact that each of the > necessarily main