Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi, Vladislav! On Mar 12, Vladislav Vaintroub wrote: > > Hi Serg, > On 03/12/15 09:17, Sergei Golubchik wrote: > > MariaDB Windows installer has a special dialog about it with a > > checkbox that's enabled by default, if I'm not mistaken). > > I'm sorry, but you are mistaken :) Checkbox is off

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread Vladislav Vaintroub
Hi Serg, On 03/12/15 09:17, Sergei Golubchik wrote: MariaDB Windows installer has a special dialog about it with a checkbox that's enabled by default, if I'm not mistaken). I'm sorry, but you are mistaken :) Checkbox is off by default. Also, at some point in the past I compared the download

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi, Jeremy! On Mar 12, Jeremy Cole wrote: > > > But asking people to "please enable the feedback plugin" just > > doesn't work. It seems that most of our users don't care about it at > > all - I mean, they don't care whether it's enabled or not, and don't > > care to do anything. That is, if the

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread Jeremy Cole
Sergei, > But asking people to "please enable the feedback plugin" just doesn't > work. It seems that most of our users don't care about it at all - I > mean, they don't care whether it's enabled or not, and don't care to do > anything. That is, if the plugin is disabled - it'll stay disabled, >

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread MARK CALLAGHAN
Why not make it pay-per-call? If this is valuable for MariaDB.com then they can pay the submitter for each report. Maybe this is a great use for bitcoin. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:17 AM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: > Hi, Ian! > > On Mar 11, Ian Gilfillan wrote: > > I understand that the statistics w

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi, Ian! On Mar 11, Ian Gilfillan wrote: > I understand that the statistics would have some meaning, and > understand that there's no actual data being sent, etc. > > However, enabling the feedback plugin by default IS going to create a > whole lot of negative publicity for MariaDB. Is the limite

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-12 Thread Ian Gilfillan
I understand that the statistics would have some meaning, and understand that there's no actual data being sent, etc. However, enabling the feedback plugin by default IS going to create a whole lot of negative publicity for MariaDB. Is the limited data the feedback plugin provides worthwhile?

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-11 Thread Daniel Black
There are many perfectly valid reasons for keeping it disabled by default. If you want to raise the profile/use of the feedback plugin have you considered making it into its own package that includes the shared library and config files in /etc/my{.cnf.d,sql}/feedback.cnf ? It makes it more vis

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-10 Thread James Briggs
re, but ISC has no numbers to tell sponsors, etc.)  Thanks, James Briggs. From: Justin Swanhart To: Michael Widenius Cc: MariaDB Developers Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4 It tells

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-10 Thread Justin Swanhart
It tells you how much a sample used and you don't know what fraction of the total that represents, or if their usage is representative of the larger base. I maintain they are not meaningful but you can feel free to disagree. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Michael Widenius

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-10 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi, Justin! On Mar 09, Justin Swanhart wrote: > > I agree with Kristian. Given the way it works, the statistics are > really meaningless and I feel you shouldn't drive important choices > based on bad statistics. Of course. This statistics is not *the only* argument. For important decisions the

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-10 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi, Adam! On Mar 09, Adam Scott wrote: > Maybe make it an option when installing? Yes, that'd be great. On Windows there's a GUI installer, and it has a checkbox for feedback plugin. That's why we get >95% of reports from Windows. Most users don't mind having it enabled, so it seems. So if rpm/

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-10 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi, Kristian! On Mar 09, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > > > As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous > > and no private or sensitive information is being sent. > > > > Any comments, suggestions or recommendations? > > I think it is a bad idea. Please do not do it. > > "Ph

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-09 Thread Adam Scott
Maybe make it an option when installing? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Justin Swanhart wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with Kristian. Given the way it works, the statistics are really > meaningless and I feel you shouldn't drive important choices based on bad > statistics. I personally would sug

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-09 Thread Justin Swanhart
Hi, I agree with Kristian. Given the way it works, the statistics are really meaningless and I feel you shouldn't drive important choices based on bad statistics. I personally would suggest displaying a link to a feedback/survey form with web downloads and display a message after rpm/deb install

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Enabling feedback pluging for MariaDB 10.1.4

2015-03-09 Thread Kristian Nielsen
Michael Widenius writes: > for the alpha so I suggested Sergei today that we should enable it for > the beta period of MariaDB 10.0 (10.*1* beta, I guess?) > As most MariaDB users should know, the feedback is totally anonymous > and no private or sensitive information is being sent. > > Any com